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Old November 18th, 2012 | 08:15 PM
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I will get a measurement on those stripes tomorrow

An overall shot is coming...you must of read my mind today....she aint purdy but it is all there
Well, it sounds like your block matches the VIN, that is the big one.

I recently bought a number's matching '69 442 out of a cow pasture. It was intended as a parts car to convert my good 442 to a 4spd. Once I got it home it ended up being another project.

Looking forward to seeing overall pics, again nice find and props to you for saving it.
Old November 18th, 2012 | 09:35 PM
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That car is beautiful i love reading about stuff like this, learn something new everday
Old November 19th, 2012 | 11:30 AM
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full pics

here are a few full pics out in sun- not the same rims, they are same color as car

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Old November 19th, 2012 | 02:17 PM
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nice find! Can you tell me the code on the steel wheels thanks !
I thought the codes were on the inner side of the rim.
The 3 markings on the outside of rim,on the wheel hubs are GM, K17, and 1
If that is not them, maybe you can tell me where I should be looking.

Ted
Old November 19th, 2012 | 03:56 PM
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I thought the codes were on the inner side of the rim.
The 3 markings on the outside of rim,on the wheel hubs are GM, K17, and 1
If that is not them, maybe you can tell me where I should be looking.

Ted
The wheel code is located by the valve stem hole on the outside. It might be very faint,not stamped well. You will probably need to use something to clean around the hole like steel wool or light grit sandpaper.
Old November 20th, 2012 | 06:32 AM
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rim number

hope this is what you are looking for 27 HF

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Old November 20th, 2012 | 11:04 AM
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I think you need a project manager to work on this while you earn more $$$ to pay the expenses? Someone with time on their hands....

Seriously Ted, it looks like a super nice project. I'm hoping the cowl tag rust is not an indication of what you'll find elsewhere. I'm wondering if there is anyone who can duplicate an original cowl tag to put onto the car, or whether that is even legal to do?

Judging by the VIN number your car looks like it was built just around a month earlier than the pic I posted earlier.
Old November 20th, 2012 | 01:09 PM
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Looks very cool, again, nice find.
Old November 20th, 2012 | 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by sammy
hope this is what you are looking for 27 HF

Ted
I checked the 68 assembly manual and it doesn't list a HF code for that year. It does list a HB code wheel for disc brakes. I looked @ a 69 manual and nothing listed there. I tried a 67 manual but it didn't have a wheel usage chart. I hope this helps.
Old November 20th, 2012 | 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Allan R
I think you need a project manager to work on this while you earn more $$$ to pay the expenses? Someone with time on their hands....

Seriously Ted, it looks like a super nice project. I'm hoping the cowl tag rust is not an indication of what you'll find elsewhere. I'm wondering if there is anyone who can duplicate an original cowl tag to put onto the car, or whether that is even legal to do?

Judging by the VIN number your car looks like it was built just around a month earlier than the pic I posted earlier.
Man, if you lived a little closer i could SO need the help! I would bring you on board in an nano -second
It is an awesome project,agreed! All numbers are matching up and the pic of the cowl looks worse than it is.
This will be a frame off resto,since the car is SO complete.
Have to do some shuffling in the shop to start the redo
No idea if it is legal to make another cowl tag. My feeling is do not mess with it, and try and preserve what is there.

Ted
Old November 20th, 2012 | 06:33 PM
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Hey sammy: I won't tell anyone, if you re-pop your cowl tag. My bodyman manufactured a new dash number to replace
the missing number for my '94 Dodge Shadow after it was recovered from being stolen in Detroit for a month.
The thieves tried to make it look like a '94 Plymouth Sundance.
It was found, just a couple of days before the insurance people were going to pay me out. Damn it!!!
It still cost the insurance company $7,500.00, to make it correct.

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Old November 20th, 2012 | 06:44 PM
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Man, if you lived a little closer i could SO need the help! I would bring you on board in an nano -second
It is an awesome project,agreed! All numbers are matching up and the pic of the cowl looks worse than it is.
This will be a frame off resto,since the car is SO complete.
Have to do some shuffling in the shop to start the redo
No idea if it is legal to make another cowl tag. My feeling is do not mess with it, and try and preserve what is there.

Ted
Absolutely nothing wrong for replacing a damaged/missing cowl tag and it's legal.

http://www.trimtags.com/
Old November 20th, 2012 | 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by 66-3X2 442
Absolutely nothing wrong for replacing a damaged/missing cowl tag and it's legal.

http://www.trimtags.com/
and cheap too .... $235 for the tag plus $14 for rivets add $17 if you need the rivet install tool
Old November 20th, 2012 | 08:16 PM
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and cheap too .... $235 for the tag plus $14 for rivets add $17 if you need the rivet install tool
A small price to pay to make it right. You don't need the install tool,I got it figured out.
Old November 21st, 2012 | 11:32 AM
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GM heritage 442

Vehicle Identification Number: 3448781111438. Car still has everything including
Vehicle: 1968 Oldsmobile 442. Floor mats, cool
Trim: 940 - Black Buckets
Paint: G- Willow Gold Metallic
Stripe: C - Provincial White.
Production Plant: Oshawa Ontario Canada
Production Date: January 10, 1968
Shipping Date: January 11, 1968
Model Number: 34487 - 442 - 2dr holiday coupe
Engine: 400 CID 325 HP 4bbl Rocket V8
Engine Number: 8243162
Dealer: Ross Wemp Motors Ltd., Rexdale Ont
Number Produced for sale in Canada (same model number only) 1,070

RPO Code Description
AS1 - SEAT BELTS: FRONT SHOULDER HARNESS
A81 - HEAD RESTRAINT - SEATBACK
B32 - MATS: FRONT FLOOR
B33 - MATS: REAR FLOOR
D55 - FRONT COMPARTMENT FLOOR CONSOLE
J52 - BRAKES: FRONT DISC
M40 - TRANSMISSION: 3-SPEED AUTOMATIC (THM 400)
N34 - STEERING WHEEL: CUSTOM SPORT
N40 - POWER STEERING
PW8 - TIRE: F70-14-4 PR - RED STRIPE
U29 - LAMP: COURTESY, INSTRUMENT PANEL
U63 - RADIO: AM PUSHBUTTON
U80 - AUXILIARY SPEAKER REAR
Z49 - MANDATORY CANADIAN BASE EQUIPMENT MODIFICATIONS

Ted

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Old November 21st, 2012 | 11:35 AM
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4-speed is the only thing that could have made it better IMO
Old November 21st, 2012 | 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by gearheads78
4-speed is the only thing that could have made it better IMO
Agreed.
No mention of two tone paint.
Would the stripe been around the hood cowl or something else?

Thanx,
Ted
Old November 22nd, 2012 | 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by sammy
No mention of two tone paint.
Would the stripe been around the hood cowl or something else?
Ted, the stripe on the 68 442 is a vertical band that goes on the front fender. Lots of incorrect stripes on cars are placed just behind the front wheel opening. The proper location is shown in this photo. It should be close to the middle of the lower fender.
Old November 22nd, 2012 | 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by sammy
Agreed.
No mention of two tone paint.
Would the stripe been around the hood cowl or something else?

Thanx,
Ted
Unless your car had the W36 vertical fender stripe it would have come standard with a pinstripe that follows the moulding that goes across the top of the fenders, doors, and quarter panels and wrapping around under the vinyl top.
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Or in the case of no vinyl top I believe it followed the curve of the glass around the C pillar.
Old November 23rd, 2012 | 05:43 AM
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Originally Posted by j_link
Or in the case of no vinyl top I believe it followed the curve of the glass around the C pillar.
I can see remnants of an old stripe,just under the front fender chrome. Would this stripe have been solid or two smaller ones?.
Any pics of the pin striping that came with these cars?
My 442 did not have a vinyl roof.
Any idea on the two tone color scheme?
2 G's on the cowl tag, as Allan R pointed out, would mean this. Any ides on what this would have looked like would be great!

Thanks,
Ted
Old November 23rd, 2012 | 06:07 AM
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I can see remnants of an old stripe,just under the front fender chrome. Would this stripe have been solid or two smaller ones?.
Any pics of the pin striping that came with these cars?
My 442 did not have a vinyl roof.
Any idea on the two tone color scheme?
2 G's on the cowl tag, as Allan R pointed out, would mean this. Any ides on what this would have looked like would be great!

Thanks,
Ted
I dont know Oshawa cowl tags but I'd be willing to bet the GG simply means willow gold upper and lower colors. In other words, not two tone.

Here's a thread with info on the Canadian cowl tag codes:

http://72.22.90.30/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=77388&highlight=pin+striping

BTW, The pin striping was deleted on fender striped cars. Your car should have the Y74 option code too

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Old November 23rd, 2012 | 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by sammy
The RH outlet boss read 38*783
*O3*
I will recheck that again as well as pulley and tranmission numbers
Ted
384783
typically has a 'dot' on R outlet boss
5.1" long x 2.0" inlet nipple

used on 65-69 vehicles w/o AC or HDC
Old November 23rd, 2012 | 09:31 AM
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Did the car come with full hub caps or were they changed?
Old November 23rd, 2012 | 12:10 PM
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....AND, and after 23 or so years, it is ALIVE
Old November 23rd, 2012 | 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by 66-3X2 442
Did the car come with full hub caps or were they changed?
There is no mention of wheel discs in anything I have researched yet, but according to owners daughter whom I bought the car, they were always on it.
Drop tank tomorrow, maybe a build sheet?

Ted
Old November 23rd, 2012 | 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by allyolds68
I dont know Oshawa cowl tags but I'd be willing to bet the GG simply means willow gold upper and lower colors. In other words, not two tone.

Here's a thread with info on the Canadian cowl tag codes:

http://72.22.90.30/phpBB2/viewtopic....t=pin+striping

BTW, The pin striping was deleted on fender striped cars. Your car should have the Y74 option code too
Is the thread on CO?
Old November 23rd, 2012 | 01:53 PM
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Unless they did things different with Canadian built cars or changed them from 1966 cars,if a car had full wheel covers,the rims were painted black. Only the dog dish optioned cars had body color wheels.
Old November 23rd, 2012 | 02:05 PM
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More history

Talked to original owner today! Some cool facts..

-bought the car when he was 18
-sold it to his Dad in 1970
-motor seized in 1971(oil pump)
-GM replaced entire engine on warranty!
-Dad owned until 1978.He sold it to a colleague, and I bought it from the colleague' s daughter.
-was driven by him until 1989 and parked.

The car came with spoke wheel covers, and he said he always wanted to put 'mags on it'
-1 pin stripe down each fender, white
-was only the one color, no two tone


He said others always wanted to drag him, but he could not afford the tires.
His nickname for it was the "sleeper"

The dealer where the car was purchased is still there, so they may have some imfo....

Ted

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Old November 23rd, 2012 | 02:28 PM
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"-GM replaced entire engine on warranty!"

What's all this then?
Did I not hear that it had the original engine previously?
Or was it the original TYPE engine but not VIN-stamped to match?
Or did the factory/dealer re-do the VIN stamp?
Got any pix of the block's VIN stamp?
Old November 23rd, 2012 | 04:57 PM
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Is the thread on CO?
No, it's on ROP.

If you have the original pin stripe it wasn't a fender stripe car. They didn't do both because the pin stripe would pass through the fender stripe.

I don't see the W36 option code above so I'm not sure what you were referring to when you said the stripe was visible under the fender peak moulding. The first letter code before the GG is probably your pin stripe color.

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Old November 23rd, 2012 | 07:06 PM
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"-GM replaced entire engine on warranty!"

What's all this then?
Did I not hear that it had the original engine previously?
Or was it the original TYPE engine but not VIN-stamped to match?
Or did the factory/dealer re-do the VIN stamp?
Got any pix of the block's VIN stamp?
Great questions!
I can barely make out three digits of the vin on the engine pad.
The owner said the egine was replaced by GM 1971with another 400. The engine number that is on oil filler tube,on the POP and on the documents from George S at GM Heritage all match . Therefore, my next step is to call the dealer to see if they have any records.I think it is really cool I actually talked to the original owner! He sent me a pic of him standing beside the car in 1968. I will try to post...

If you have any other suggestions that would help in my search, that would be great.

Ted
Old November 23rd, 2012 | 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by allyolds68
No, it's on ROP.

If you have the original pin stripe it wasn't a fender stripe car. They didn't do both because the pin stripe would pass through the fender stripe.

I don't see the W36 option code above so I'm not sure what you were referring to when you said the stripe was visible under the fender peak moulding. The first letter code before the GG is probably your pin stripe color.
Yes, C is provincial white. The owner said the car had a single pin stripe on either side of the car. I meant the pin stripe was visible under the fender peak moulding.

Ted
Old November 23rd, 2012 | 07:24 PM
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original owner

this is the original owner beside the car in 1968
Interesting wheel covers that he said were original to car.
Can just make out pin stripe....

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Old November 27th, 2012 | 02:52 PM
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try to load pics...something about a missing security tolken....

on pinion printed in yellow paint x143

on ring gear 3862691 14-43 GM

carrier normal no posi or lock-up

Ted
Old November 27th, 2012 | 09:15 PM
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Don't know what the pinion numbers are, but 14/43 means you have 3.07:1 gears.

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Old November 28th, 2012 | 11:16 AM
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Don't know what the pinion numbers are, but 14/43 means you have 3.07:1 gears.
Yup,cars built in the US had 3.08:1 gears...
Old December 12th, 2012 | 08:14 PM
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Cool interesting story about a CQQL Car

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Old December 14th, 2012 | 03:19 AM
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With a one colour car the pin stripe would sweep back over top the side glass to the windshield. On a rallye stripe car the 442 numbers are lower and closer to the door. Check with John Green over in Janetville...he'll fill you in.
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Cool interesting story about a CQQL Car

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?? Cool Cqql = same thing right?


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