Sparkman

Sparkman

Minutes later....Mr. Demmer was arrested for Grand Theft Auto! LOL!

TK-65

Isnt it your car?

https://classicoldsmobile.com/forums...tml#post515545

TK-65

Id say its your car that we are talking about.

Dash photo posted by you..

https://classicoldsmobile.com/forums...tml#post443235

matches the photo I took on Saturday.

rcktdoc

Yes that is Rallye Kids car!!! There is even a picture of him on here.I beleive its in the pics of the MCACN someone else posted in another thread. He is standing in front to the car.

Greg

dnmfranco

First off never seen such amazing pics of w- cars before in one place
Sadly not to say none were there but didn't see any 68 Ram Rods or 68 W-30 cars.
But nevertheless incredible pictures of Oldsmobile's

Also am I missing something here with this W-31, appears to be a great looking car but its not real??

junior supercar

none were there. no 70 W-31s either.

a Ram Rod was scheduled to be in the original owners showcase but had to cancel a couple weeks ago because the rear main seal went out.

a W-30 was selected, I think back in like March or May, but couldn't commit because he wasn't sure what the weather would be like. he doesn't have a trailer and would have had to drive the car there.

dnmfranco

Okay that makes sense Ty for the info Dean

oldsmobiledave

Quote:
Originally Posted by RALLYE KID
Looking forward in being in the W-Machine display and seeing all my olds buddies. It will be like a mini Oldsmobile nationals.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bashton
Hey Rallye Kid, I don't recognize you as being one of our participants in the W-Machines special display. Since the only Rally 350 we have in the show is the one we are giving away Saturday night for the Great American Muscle Car Giveaway March of Dimes raffle, just curious as to who you are.

Thanks and looking forward to seeing you at the show!

Bashton
MCACN Managing Member
www.mcacn.com

Hey Bob not bringing my Rallye 350 its one of my other cars.

Quote:
Originally Posted by RALLYE KID
Hey Bob not bringing my Rallye 350 its one of my other cars

OK...so who are you and what are you showing?


Note no answer was ever given to this question. Curious.



So may I ask who owns the blue 1969 sheep in wolfs' clothing?. Or is it obvious?

The documentation is clearly not original. The type font on that Jim Osborne sticker is nothing like the fonts on the original one for my 1969 442.

As Carlito would say "That's not cool!".

teqdave

Just to throw in my two cents worth, if this is about whether the window sticker is geniune or not, I would have to vote that it is not original. I am not an expert in window stickers, but I don't recall ever seeing one that has the number 3 with a flat top. They have always been rounded.

TK-65

Neither are original, the photos show two different stickers for the car.

My experience with the car is that it has some bogus paperwork.

rcktdocs experience is pretty self explanatory. He is the one that said a clone was at the show and has hands on knowledge of what car it is.

You can put the two together to figure it out.

Stefano

Well guys, I have to say that I feel terrible and that we are very sorry that the W-Machine show case, which came to fruition right here on this site, had an Oldsmobile with fake, reproduced paper work offered up as the real deal, especially from another member.

I don't personally know the car or the owner and while it is a very nice restoration had we known then what we know today, things would not have been represented as they were.

Thanks to the members who have called this out! In the future, if you think there is anything we need to know about a car invited to attend our show, just call it out.

Rcktdoc, there will be a pair of tickets for you at will call next year, gratis, if you should want them, just don't forget to remind me.

Let's not allow one bad apple to spoil the bushel!

66-3X2 442

You have nothing to be sorry about. All you can do is vet the cars the best you can and sometimes they slip through. The experts @ B-J have been had by fake cars,so you're not alone. I wouldn't worry about it,it's a car show and you're doing the best you can @ putting it on. Congrats on a great show and I hope to make it someday.

RetroRanger

so for us regular joes unless you have the original paperwork you cannot authenticate a 69 w-31 much like any of the 70-72 442 w-30 cars is that true ?

stevengerard

yeah, I saw the car and the window sticker, car looked great and I figured the window sticker was just added as a "cool" item. I thought I saw a few window stickers over the weekend. I'm sure a few were repos one looked like a copy of the real thing (I wouldn't have the real one anywhere near a car show). I guess a fake car claiming to be real is different but again if you looked at the W30s everyone of them were a bit different, after 43 years its hard to say what's correct and what's not. It was a great show.

stevengerard

or a 68 or 70 W31

allyolds68

The biggest difference with trying to document 68-69 W30's or W31's is that in 68-69 the W designation wasn't on the Fisher Broadcast card. Short of a window sticker the broadcast sheet is the only way you can document them because little to none of the Lansing cars had build sheets. They started painting the whole cars including fenders at Fisher in 70 so the W shows on those broadcast cards

oldsmobiledave

If it is an automatic then it will have a VIN matched JO code T350 which does prove it is a W-31 car. Four speeds need paperwork.

oldsmobiledave

Absolutely no reason for you to feel badly. This is on the participant not you. Thanks again for your part in an awesome show. From the pics I can tell that it was well worth attending.

stevengerard

True enough but......

dnmfranco

Are you kidding about feeling bad don't - that looked like it was an amazing show for all makes and models. No one can control people's behavior

next time invite my 31 lol, which honestly is not as nice as the clone.

I guess Gregg's the man

Dean

z11375ss

Regardless, it was a killer show. Too bad some people have to misrepresent a car to receive false accolades.

442Fred

Guys
One question was it a nice car or not? Geez these cars were nicer than any national Olds event i have ever been to. MCACN worked hard to put together an outstanding line up of cars. WHY do you people always focus on the negative?

z11375ss

In answer to that query, I would have to say that if they didn't have perfect, properly documented cars, the show would devolve into a World of Wheels sort of show. This is THE premiere event in the country. All the cars are either perfect, or are barn finds, etc. None are misrepresented to the public as a 1 of 1 when it isn't for instance. To lower the bar and accept just anything would do just that, lower the bar and ruin the show. My car could be in there as a 1 of 1. Because it is, after all. The negativity is focused where it should be. On the cars owner, not on the MCACN .

dnmfranco

lol Mike missed this one, Mike refusing show edict priceless
oh money order went out sat if you can just let me know when u get it Dean

1969w3155

That window sticker is not original, as has been pointed out, I have my '69 W31 original window sticker, and besides the obvious matrix printing, it is not formatted correctly. I am the third owner of my car, and bought it from owner number 2, who purchased it in 1971 from the original owner. I believe that TK65 has a copy of it, that I posted or sent from this site.

dnmfranco

yeah to be honest that is true those cars were outstanding, and couldn't have been easy to pick !!!!!!!

oldsmobiledave

So...where is Rallye Kid today? Not like him to miss a good thread!

rcktdoc

The issue is not if the car was nice or not.The issue was fraud. The car was never a W31 purchased by the owners father,Very few original parts from the Cutlass S that the father purchased were still there. The car also came up for sale a couple years ago being touted as an original W31. How would you feal if you purchased that car to find out later it wasnt what it was suppose to be? Then when confronted Rallye Kid has the audasity or Idiocy to say he talked to the original owner Who is himself!!!! I want no acalades,my only focus was to flush out a liar and fraud. Thanks

Greg

BILL DEMMER

well hell! it was worth it! lol


bill

marxjunk

now whos like a woman.....?

z11375ss

Awe crap. This is embarrassing.

coppercutlass

Im gonna go grab a beer and make some pop corn this is getting good. Kinda like automotive jerry springer.

Stefano

If you have the original, then why wouldn't you make a color copy of that for your display? Why would you need a fake? Are you telling us that you did not offer up a copy of the fake window sticker as proof that your car was authentic?

For the record Just what on your car is original? Body? Frame? Engine? Trans? Rear?

70Post

IMO it's the real deal and has a clean original interior as well.

1969w3155

Why, because you were caught in a lie?

oldsmobiledave

Wow. Someone got caught with their pants down & continues to spin tales.

I am ashamed for you & I do not even know you. How Sad.

Time to move on to more important threads. We all know the truth.

Koda

jer-ry jer-ry jer-ry

coppercutlass

rcktdoc

You make up lies to cover your lies. In the first place I have never sold parts off customer cars. NEVER! That sounds like the story you told me about the body shop that you took the car to after you pulled it from my shop.That guy stole all your parts. There are only a hand full of parts original to your fathers car on the car that now exists.When you brought the car to me it was a Cutlass S, period.The car was junk, frame broke into pieces when the body was removed all body panels on the car except the hood were destroyed by rust. I located a complete body and frame from South Dakota that I took you out there to buy.I made the suggestion to you to put W31 parts on the car.I also told you you could not try to misrepresent the car as being original.I also found the NOS scoops you put on the car,and W31 balancer. You added and installed all these and any and ALL other parts to CLONE this car into a W31. That window sticker isnt even correct,in 69 Oldsmobile didnt code body color with number codes it coded them with Letter codes EE not 51 51 these codes can be found on factory Dealer literature and the assembly manual.The Y73 Rallye hood strip was the option for a 442 It was a double pin stripe. Not the full W31/W30 full patch stripe.
You are a liar cheat and FRAUD End of discussion.

Greg Godon