Mild rebuild/performance 403 olds
#1
Mild rebuild/performance 403 olds
Hi guys, new member here. Just wanted to say I have learned a great deal from many of you guys here. But I need some help. I have recently purchased a 79 T/A with a 403 olds. I want to keep the car as stock as possible. But with the limited HP I wanted to give my old olds 403 some power. Nothing fancy, streetcar with a little juice. I was thinking about changing the steel intake manifold to an aluminum one, maybe some headers, a good exhaust system, a mild cam. What do you guys think? I already searched the forums and threads but all I read on is some major mods for high HP. ANy help is appreciated or if anyone can point me in the right direction. Thanks.
#2
What is your re axle ratio. Most T/As had mid to high 2.xx If you change to a 3.23 to 3.42 ratio the car will be completely different without you having to tear into the engine,
Keep in mind that a intake manifold change may affect how the shaker fits.
Keep in mind that a intake manifold change may affect how the shaker fits.
#3
The sheet reads GU1 241 Ratio Axl
and G80 posi axle
#4
Ugh, I thought my car was bad with a 2.56 rear, but 2.41 must really suck.
As said, swap that to something in the mid-3 range and it will feel as if you have a lot more horsepower. I did that in my old 70 Supreme, going form 2.56 to 3.08 felt like I added 50 hp, then again swapping from 3.08 to 3.55 felt like another power increase. Do a gear swap and you won't be disappointed. The rear gears will already be there to complement any engine mods you may do in the future.
As said, swap that to something in the mid-3 range and it will feel as if you have a lot more horsepower. I did that in my old 70 Supreme, going form 2.56 to 3.08 felt like I added 50 hp, then again swapping from 3.08 to 3.55 felt like another power increase. Do a gear swap and you won't be disappointed. The rear gears will already be there to complement any engine mods you may do in the future.
#5
Rear gears for sure. You'll lose some top end, but be realistic; how often do you do that, anyway?
Engine wise, intake and a manifold back 2.5" dual exhaust will be more than you need with bolt on mods. Keep in mind that it's only 7.9:1 compression, so most things like headers and a cam are futile. Do some thin Cometic head gaskets before all that..
Your local emissions regulations make a big factor to consider.
Engine wise, intake and a manifold back 2.5" dual exhaust will be more than you need with bolt on mods. Keep in mind that it's only 7.9:1 compression, so most things like headers and a cam are futile. Do some thin Cometic head gaskets before all that..
Your local emissions regulations make a big factor to consider.
#7
We have a winner. The stock 4A heads are terrible on the exhaust side. Early 350 heads will raise compression a point, you need a A4 or Performer on a Trans Am to work with the shaker. Then a cam swap on top of the rest will make it a fun car.
#9
Rear gears for sure. You'll lose some top end, but be realistic; how often do you do that, anyway?
Engine wise, intake and a manifold back 2.5" dual exhaust will be more than you need with bolt on mods. Keep in mind that it's only 7.9:1 compression, so most things like headers and a cam are futile. Do some thin Cometic head gaskets before all that..
Your local emissions regulations make a big factor to consider.
Engine wise, intake and a manifold back 2.5" dual exhaust will be more than you need with bolt on mods. Keep in mind that it's only 7.9:1 compression, so most things like headers and a cam are futile. Do some thin Cometic head gaskets before all that..
Your local emissions regulations make a big factor to consider.
#10
3.08's would be a awesome upgrade and still driveable on highway. Headers for sure. a set of 68-72 350 heads 5, 6 , 7 , 7a with bigger valves like 2.07/1.62 combo (open up heads bolt holes to match 403 if using the early heads) , a mild cam ... honestly a generic @ 050 rated 214/224 112 is plenty and work in the rpm range this head swap on stock dish pistons gets you up to 9.5:1 ish ad needs 93 octane.. A simple regular Edelbrock Performer .. If you don't change heads go with a different cam for the low CR with a tighter 108 or 110 lsa just regardless intake side at least 210 @050 but not more than say 220 degrees
Lost of opinions and options here. on a stone stock engine I wouldnt go all the way to 3.42 gears from 2.41 , 3.23 overall best IMO max
One of the guys I race with is a original owner of a 403 car he bought new and that original engine with some marine cam swap with 3.23's but still low compression 7.9 ended up in the low 13's in 1/4 on slicks, now its 12s with a Pontiac engine but still very good results for low CR 403
Lost of opinions and options here. on a stone stock engine I wouldnt go all the way to 3.42 gears from 2.41 , 3.23 overall best IMO max
One of the guys I race with is a original owner of a 403 car he bought new and that original engine with some marine cam swap with 3.23's but still low compression 7.9 ended up in the low 13's in 1/4 on slicks, now its 12s with a Pontiac engine but still very good results for low CR 403
Last edited by GEARMAN69; October 25th, 2021 at 05:00 AM.
#11
in my research I've read about the horrible compression. But where I am parts are non existent and there are hardly any master mechanics that know how to deal with the older engines.
#12
Or, are you saying that the mechanics around you don't know anything beyond a code reader and Google?
#13
Wait till the new small chamber Edelbrock heads come out. Dual exhaust, maybe headers and a cam swap will be all you need otherwise. Mark is trying to convince them to do them so a regular Performer intake can be used without welding.
#14
I agree, you don’t need a master mechanic to swap heads or install a camshaft. I did that stuff when I was in high school. Just remove parts then reverse the process to install the new ones.
#15
Thanks.
#16
To wake it up a gear swap is the easiest and least expensive. gears for the 8.5” are cheap new or used. Go 3:08 minimum
A cam swap is also a good idea. You need a low rpm TQ type cam with short advertised duration with good lift. You have a few choices that will work with the stock heads as is.
best ones are;
Comp XE250H
Comp 250H
Lunati 60800LK
add headers if want but these will work well with stock exhaust manifolds
always rejet the carb..those are notoriously lean
A cam swap is also a good idea. You need a low rpm TQ type cam with short advertised duration with good lift. You have a few choices that will work with the stock heads as is.
best ones are;
Comp XE250H
Comp 250H
Lunati 60800LK
add headers if want but these will work well with stock exhaust manifolds
always rejet the carb..those are notoriously lean
#17
The idle circuits are probably the main issue on these late 70's carbs, especially if the compression and cam are increased and headers installed. Cliff has a nice custom 44 primary rod for these. Tune with a wideband to get it bang on.
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