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Remember the green/black 1964 Faux Four Two we discussed many times here in prior years? The one with the 10D build date (despite the fact that the earliest known build date for a 64 442 is March) and no rear sway bar and the unsubstantiated "pilot car" story? This one with the same color combo and same green interior is at BJ Scottsdale. Apparently it now has body color wheels and blackwalls instead of redlines. I can't imagine that there are a whole lot of 64s with this color combo...
If your point is the red line tires, that's the least of the problems with this car. The fact that it was built FIVE months before the first documented 64 442s is the real issue.
From: Sherwood Park, Alberta, in the Great White North
Well, it is a pretty car, it presents well, it looks like it was put together reasonably well.
If it's all wrong, I wouldn't know, But what can I say, I'm just a Buick guy.
i had the opportunity to purchase a green with black top/interior real 64 442 convert in 1980,passed on it at $2800,i thought it was priced too high.it did go real good too.
.Hammer dropped at 32K plus all of the other costs on top, I guess with the commentator explaining that it is a true 442 from 64 based on a black and white add that only ran once.
Has Joe P recovered from the shock yet?
Steve
.Hammer dropped at 32K plus all of the other costs on top, I guess with the commentator explaining that it is a true 442 from 64 based on a black and white add that only ran once.
Has Joe P recovered from the shock yet?
Steve
Talked to a previous owner of the faked up 64. He has an old registration slip with the vin on it, it matched the vin of the BJ car fake 442. Problem being, that when he was the owner it was NOT a 442, just a nice Cutlass 4 speed. He sold it to a guy in Mesa AZ who sold it to a flipper in Wickenburg AZ who sold it to somebody in Colorado where it apparently magically transformed into a 442!
Makes a guy wonder how many other BJ cars are made up phonies.
Makes a guy wonder how many other BJ cars are made up phonies.
You don't need to wonder.
In the case of this car, the fact that the build date is five months prior to the build of the first known real 64 442 and four months prior to the announcement that the 442 would go on sale should tell the buyer something.
Interestingly, I just replied to a PM on the truck website I frequent in which the user mentioned they just bought a 64 "Cutlass/442." I told him that he should come to our site for some info. I wonder if the gent on the Ford Truck website bought this Olds?
Even though it can't be a true 442 I still think it's a pretty car. $32k might be high though. I'm used to seeing Cutlii/442s on CL for less than $12k in good driver condition.
Most likely at least half of the 64 442s out there are fakes. Many owners - like this guy possibly - don’t even know, but the sad part is many do and lie.
Somewhat easy to clone, but very few can or would clone perfectly, thus most fakes are not super hard to disprove. Most build sheets were never left in these cars, so authentication is done by car history and physical/mechanical means. With just a little research, I have a pretty good list of qualifiers.
Joe is correct about the build date. That is an unquestioned automatic disqualifier.
There is a current list of “known” or “accepted” legitimate 64 442s based on the original assembled by OCA Model Year Experts. Of course not every 64 442 car will be on this list, but most will.
