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Old March 31st, 2013 | 11:31 AM
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Every state should have this law implemented in my opinion

http://www.oscn.net/applications/osc....asp?id=450125

A. It shall be unlawful for any person to:
1. Knowingly and intentionally destroy, remove, cover, alter or deface, or cause to be destroyed, covered, removed, altered or defaced the trim tag plate of a motor vehicle manufactured from 1953 to 1977;
2. Knowingly affix a counterfeit trim tag plate to a motor vehicle;
3. Manufacture, offer for sale, sell, introduce, import or deliver for sale or use in this state a counterfeit trim tag plate; or
4. Offer for sale, sell, introduce, import or deliver for sale or use in this state a trim tag plate that was affixed to a motor vehicle at the time of manufacture but has since been removed or become dislodged.
B. Paragraph 1 of subsection A of this section shall not apply to:
1. Any person who engages in repair of a motor vehicle, provided that removal of the vehicle's trim tag plate is reasonably necessary for repair of a part of the vehicle to which the trim tag plate is affixed, and provided that such trim tag plate is not intentionally destroyed, altered or defaced; or
2. Removal of a trim tag from a motor vehicle which is being junked or otherwise destroyed, if the removal is being done for historical documentation purposes by a person actively involved in judging events or for historical documentation of classic motor vehicles and reasonable precaution is taken to ensure that the tag is not sold or affixed to another motor vehicle.
C. Any person convicted of violating the provisions of this act shall be guilty of a misdemeanor. Any person convicted of violating the provisions of this act a second or subsequent time shall be guilty of a felony.
D. In addition to any other civil remedy available, a person defrauded as a result of a violation of this act may bring a civil action against any person who knowingly violated this act regardless of whether that person has been convicted of a violation of this act. A person defrauded as a result of a violation of this act may recover treble their actual compensatory damages. In any action brought pursuant to this subsection, the court may award reasonable costs, including costs of expert witnesses, and attorney fees to the prevailing party.
E. As used in this section:
1. "Trim tag plate" means a plate or tag affixed to a motor vehicle by the manufacturer which displays numbers, symbols, or codes that identify characteristics of the vehicle including, but not limited to, date of manufacture, body style, paint color, engine option, transmission option, trim option, general option, interior option, and interior color;
2. "Counterfeit trim tag plate" means:
a. any trim tag plate manufactured by a person or entity other than the original manufacturer of a motor vehicle upon which the trim tag plate is designed to be affixed, unless the trim tag has been permanently stamped, in the same manner as other information on the trim tag, with the words "REPLACEMENT TAG" in letters measuring at least one-eighth (1/8) of an inch in height, or
b. any trim tag plate which has been altered from its original manufactured condition so as to change any of its numbers, symbols, or codes; and
3. "Motor vehicle" means the same as defined in Section 1-134 of Title 47 of the Oklahoma Statutes.
Old March 31st, 2013 | 01:01 PM
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If it were, a lot of classic car "restorers" and "dealers" would be out of business and serving time.

I agree that it should be illegal across the board. Then you have some marque clubs who actually allow counterfeit data plates for judging purposes.

The only reason to create a data plate containing info other than the original is to defraud.
Old March 31st, 2013 | 01:25 PM
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This is ONLY in Oklahoma?? Gotta be in other states too.

Surprised it doesn't state anywhere about VIN tags.
Old March 31st, 2013 | 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by rocketraider
If it were, a lot of classic car "restorers" and "dealers" would be out of business and serving time.

I agree that it should be illegal across the board. Then you have some marque clubs who actually allow counterfeit data plates for judging purposes.

The only reason to create a data plate containing info other than the original is to defraud.
Good points
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This is ONLY in Oklahoma?? Gotta be in other states too.

Surprised it doesn't state anywhere about VIN tags.
To my knowledge OK is the only state that I am aware of. Haven't done any research on it though. The VIN law is a Federal thing and it is all the way across the board so to say.
Old March 31st, 2013 | 02:31 PM
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Sorry, but trim tags were NEVER a legally-controlled item. They are a factory assembly aid only. The fact that the auto hobby has placed such a premium on them is the real problem, and we have only ourselves to blame for that.

The reality is that the difference between an F-85 and a Hurst/Olds is negligible as far as the car is concerned. There are a few minor equipment differences but probably 80-85% of the car is exactly the same. Sorry, but we've done this to ourselves.
Old March 31st, 2013 | 02:44 PM
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I agree Joe. And the reality is there is no way to prove of tampering or fraud on the trim tags except for the factory rivets and even then they can and are being reproduced as well. Even then there is nothing else on the car proving or disproving that the trim tag belongs to that car like VIN stampings on the frame, engine and transmission, except for of course if the owner was lucky enough to find a build sheet. Also some of the other manufacturers merely used a phillips head screw instead of rivets.
Old March 31st, 2013 | 03:07 PM
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Even if it was law in all 50 states who would enforce it? The criminals do NOT obey laws by definition....
Frankly a waste of resources, and time that SHOULD tackle far WORSE problems that are there!
Old March 31st, 2013 | 03:12 PM
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That is what I was saying Dave, there is nothing to tie the car to the tag except for tampering evidence and the build sheet if any.
Old March 31st, 2013 | 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by joe_padavano
Sorry, but trim tags were NEVER a legally-controlled item. They are a factory assembly aid only. The fact that the auto hobby has placed such a premium on them is the real problem, and we have only ourselves to blame for that.

The reality is that the difference between an F-85 and a Hurst/Olds is negligible as far as the car is concerned. There are a few minor equipment differences but probably 80-85% of the car is exactly the same. Sorry, but we've done this to ourselves.
Thank you, Joe. This is a pet peeve of mine with the auto hobby.

These were all just POS mass produced American cars when they were new. None of them were made out of gold.

- Eric
Old March 31st, 2013 | 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by GAOldsman
the reality is there is no way to prove of tampering or fraud on the trim tags except for the factory rivets and even then they can and are being reproduced as well.
Not only are trim tags and rivets being reproduced and sold, but some folks are also offering the 'never ever built' build sheets for sale - for the car you always dreamed of but was never built back then. They also offer to 'age' the document to look authentic. There's an 'ethics' discussion for you.

Originally Posted by GAOldsman
Also some of the other manufacturers merely used a phillips head screw instead of rivets.
That would include Oldsmobile starting in 1973
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Old March 31st, 2013 | 03:23 PM
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Sounds like someone got burned bad on a deal here!
Old March 31st, 2013 | 03:40 PM
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Well I am totally puzzeled by the concern here
Old March 31st, 2013 | 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by pogo69
Well I am totally puzzeled by the concern here
I'm puzzled why you're puzzled - do you think it is okay to alter the pedigree of a vehicle for profit?
Old March 31st, 2013 | 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Diego
I'm puzzled why you're puzzled - do you think it is okay to alter the pedigree of a vehicle for profit?
Who me?? .noooooo way buddy I think anyone that has just an original spark to a w-31 should go to town and make that car a real rare one!
Old March 31st, 2013 | 04:45 PM
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huh?
Old March 31st, 2013 | 04:58 PM
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I guess Diego missed popos rant here
Old March 31st, 2013 | 05:08 PM
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No, I didn't see it. Just read one page but that was enough.
Old March 31st, 2013 | 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by GAOldsman
I guess Diego missed popos rant here
MUD...you may be right,actually I'm at work (secured psychiatric unit) and I guess I lost track of where I was and who I was speaking about
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