Does this mean that 4-4-2's will now be 4-4-0's, as in 440V?

https://www.autoweek.com/news/indust...0Non%20Openers

 

Battery placement would be a concern for me.

 

I believe an electric classic would be an oxymoron and anybody that would put and electric motor in a classic would be a moron. Of course this is just my biased opinion.

 

The one scenario where I think that this could be fun is with a '32 Ford highboy roadster (not an original, which would be sacrilege, but a fiberglass repo), with the batteries and motor mounted in back. It would be fun to see all of the puzzled looks on peoples' faces when you drive around without a hood and nothing in the engine compartment. It would probably be super dangerous and handle terribly with all of the weight in back, but you might be able to do wheelies all day.

 

73 to 78 GMC Motorhome? Solar panels on the roof and a propane tank and generator on board just in case. Kinda sounds like the perfect candidate to me.

 

Hear! Hear!

 

"Don’t Scrap Your Classics"

Yeah, as if that's what we were all planning to do.

 

For those of you that are, I'm paying $10/ton OVER SCRAP! Willing to even come to you. 😁

 

The way these changes are being imposed, I doubt we will have much of a choice.

 

What they don't tell you is lithium and other rare earth elements are scarce and no matter how good battery technology gets, EV's will not be able to replace CE vehicles in the numbers that currently exist. Government mandates for such a replacement, especially on the prescribed timetables is fantasy. It takes years of lead time to increase mining and manufacturing capacity for battery production assuming there is enough raw material to provide for the needed storage capacity.

 

Ease up on the political crap before it even gets started. Otherwise another thread will get closed

 

I really don't think he was getting political but just stating facts.

 

thanks. I think facts matter.

 

You never know. I think the political landscape my force the issue. But then, when rolling blackouts, grid attacks, natural disasters, prevent recharging, or "shortages" of crucial components, or rare earths occur, hydrocarbons may make a comeback. Just like vinyl records, "old" Coke, and other old technology.

 

The reason I mentioned the potential pitfalls of pushing EV's ahead of supply and demand constraints is because of what I heard from a supply chain expert on the subject of EV battery production and the raw materials needed. Li comes from two sources: brine in dried up lake beds and mined from mineral sources. Brine is the main source and requires time to extract. Mining is not economically feasible but would double the amount of Li available. Only 5 countries have significant amounts of Li, China being one of them and Bolivia another, neither of which are available to the US.

 

As soon as the EV's have speakers at the exhaust and in the engine bay, I'm all in. Not!

Some manufacturers (BMW?) already play engine/exhaust sounds through the car audio.

 

Mustang 4cyl too.

 

Contact your elected officials now and demand that reasonably priced gasoline remains available for historic vehicles. Otherwise it will be too late. ‘Green‘ politicians and supporters are going to force an all Electric Vehicle mandate regardless if batteries, reasonable driving ranges, a below 15-minute charging time, and Stage-3 charging stations are available or not. Even though they are labeled as such, there is no such thing as a Zero Emissions Vehicle.

 

you can't mandate what is not possible. I am more concerned with a reduction in fossil fuel infrastructure needed to feed our population; it takes 10 calories of energy to get 1 calorie of food to the average American's dinner table and EV's are not a viable replacement option.

 

Checkout Tim Allen’s electric ‘34 Vicky on YouTube, very nice fabrication, makes me sick, wish he would have used a glass body, or a Concorde, or anything-other pos.

 

Great showcase of fabrication skills and ingenuity but I kept thinking it would be WAY better with a Flathead motor or any of the early ohv V8s. To each his own.

 

They were told the National Speed Limit law in 1974 would not save fuel nor be complied with, but the mandate was forced on the States, with millions of frivolous speeding tickets issued, millions spent on trying to enforce the law, and millions given to State Police troopers annually for more than 20 years in endless and wasteful overtime payments for manning speed traps.

Mandates are not about accomplishing something, they are so politicians can say “see, we did something” to their constituents, even if it wastes taxpayers dollars and the goal is impossible to attain. If it is a ‘hot topic’ button at the time, it gets addressed, if not, it is ignored unless they or their supporters want it done.

 

the stakes are a " bit" higher than if you are pulled over exceeding a 55 mph speed limit.

 

The penalty was not the point. It was politicians mandating a questionable cause, with exorbitant costs to fulfill it, even when they were informed beforehand that it would never be beneficial or successful. A not unusual ‘we got to do something, anything’ response by politicians to an event or hot topic just to show they addressed the matter, even if it makes matters worse. Not unlike the National 55 MPH Speed Limit and Ban Gasoline Fueled Vehicles, with both having similar goals.

 

What I'd like to know about these e-crate engines, is how is the recovery of kinetic energy via regenerative braking implemented? Because without that, you gain ZERO benefit of "fuel" economy that an as-designed EV or hybrid is capable of. If the target platform has no FWD mechanism already in place, that leaves dragging the rear tires to slow the vehicle through the drivetrain, AND it requires a transmission / trans controller capable of controlled "engine braking" as modulated by the brake pedal (at least up to the point where the need for high braking forces requires friction brakes jump into action). So it seems that an e-crate engine intended to replace an ICE in a classic car needs much more than just an electric motor and a battery pack. It requires a new transmission and brake controller at a minimum. Then what about accessory drive for A/C and power steering? No thanks.

 

I believe at this point that swap to a electric drive would just be because one could. I have been toying with the idea for my 67 for some time. E gt make some cool looking motors and controllers and everything else is easy to convert over to electric.