I read an article on some shops converting classics to electric by using Tesla batteries. It cost a fortune. I'm happy with my V8. I just received this link from a car buddy about the 2020 Electric Mustang. I know it's not Olds but I thought someone might be interested. Whats next 4 doors and a microwave for popcorn?

Steve
https://www.businessinsider.com/ford...atures-2019-11

 

A Mustang crossover SUV. That is NOT a vehicle I would be interested in.

 

Ford could have done well marketing a Mustang with an electric motor. This misses the mark though by changing the Mustang into a crossover. Why not just introduce an electric Ford Edge if they wanted to do it with a crossover?

 

Wow, is every single automotive forum on the interwebs going to have this discussion today?

It's NOT a "Mustang SUV" any more than the FWD Cutlass Calais or Cutlass Cieras were "Cutlii". This is yet another attempt by an automaker to link a brand new vehicle to an existing, famous brand for marketing purposes. Oldsmobile fans cannot critique this, as I just listed several examples of how Olds did the same thing.

As for a real Mustang as an EV, here's one version. 900 HP and a six speed manual trans. As seen at SEMA.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-sho...specs-hp-info/

 

I agree totally, my first reaction when I saw the pic was WTF. Really! Then could have done a nice job of it. The "frunk" is water tight and has a drain so you can use it for storage or as a cooler for beverages.
iyiyi,Steve

 

It should be named a Mus"turd", built on the Ford Escape platform. It has a range of 210-250 miles depending on which albatross model you buy. A lot of us can take a road trip and drive 600 miles at once. I can't see this thing being a viable product as a family car other than in town short commutes. We are talking about a product so complicated that I vision to be dealer service queens. I mean they can't fix the products they have now.

 

they should have named it WTF watt the f***

 

...what??? The vast majority of people drive to and from work with a few errands thrown in, every day. I don't know anyone this side of a long-haul trucker that drives 600 miles every day. Buy the car you need 95% of the time - not the one you need 5% of the time. 95% of the time, 200 miles will be more than enough.

As for complexity, an electric drivetrain is drastically simpler than an internal combustion engine.

This thing is just another ugly crossover with Mustang bits thrown on, but face facts: the future is electric.

 

Gonna call baloney on that electrical powerplant being simpler. Sure, a very simple electric car is simple, but the kind of performance people demand out of them means multiple motors, regen brakes, big batteries, and enough voltage to let you meet the Lord, should you short it.

A lot of uneducated greenies think the future is electric. It's really not. Electricity is not a source of energy, you can't mine it. Electricity is merely a method to move energy. That battery car is not powered by electricity, it's powered by the coal that was burned to turn the generators at your local station.

Electric cars face more problems than other green vehicles, which is why they won't catch on. Hybrids, especially plug in ones, will do everything an electric car will do and more.

 

It still comes down to cost in the end. Until they can start producing these things cheaply enough for everyone, give them a decent range and not have to stop for 4+ hours to recharge, they will remain a novelty. Don't forget, that "215 mile range" is a lie. That is done on a flat surface and constant speed. Start throwing in some red lights and stop/start normal city driving, and I'll bet that number goes waaaaaayyyyy down.

I have a little 2016 Hyundai Accent as my commuter car for work. I paid $12500 for it new, and I'm getting 40 mpg on the highway. For a daily driver for work it has everything that I need (radio, a/c, auto trans and great mpg). By the way, I get 215 miles on a half a tank of gas, and then it only costs $14 bucks to top it off.

It's just not cost effective to spend $40+ grand for a Tesla. I'm not saving any money.

 

It still takes a coal fired or nuclear electric plant to charge the batteries efficiently...So much for being green.
The first responders have to deal with the battery issue in an accident. Takes 2600 gallons of water to put out battery fire. But even once you put the battery fire out there is still energy stored in that battery to re-ignite just by being moved.
But note an Electric vehicle is 10X's less to start a fire than a gas vehicle.
We have a 100 years experience dealing with cars and gasoline fires. More research needs to be done for the EV's but I'm sure the technology will eventually catch up.
Like to see Hydrogen fuel cell vehicles as well.

 

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Electric cars still aren't reasonably priced.

 

I have way more of a problem with it being a CUV than being electric, they are terrible! Ugly on the outside and cramped on the inside, just terrible sheep vehicles.

 

Look, I'm all for electric vehicles. The more people who drive EVs, the more oil for the rest of us. Besides, as demand drops, so does price, typically.

As for the whole SUV/crossover/four door "coupe" thing, well, I couldn't care less. With precious few exceptions (like the 2004-2006 Ford GT), there haven't been any cars built in the last quarter century that I remotely care about. They're all ugly as crap.

 

Electric drivetrains are simpler. That’s just a fact. The thermal management systems are more complex, but the loss of a transmission, connecting rods, camshaft(s), lifters, valves, injectors, fuel pumps, etc, etc more than make up for it. Hybrids double down on the complexity. Also, it’s current that kills you...not voltage. How are those 800 cca batteries in your car treating you? Ever short a wrench across the terminals? Cuz plenty of people have learned the hard way how welding works by doing so...even at 12 volts...

They don’t face more problems than other green vehicles - that’s why they are currently on the road in actual numbers compared to alternatives. Ever seen a hydrogen car on the road? Ever see a Tesla/i3/Leaf? Hybrids are a transition technology...not the end game. They’re transitioning to electric (never seen a hydrogen/gasoline hybrid). While hybrids are not the future, they are the present. By far the best compromise while battery tech catches up to the century of ICE development. And hey, look at that!!! Development of hybrids doubles as development of electric vehicles...

As for the source - mass producing electricity, even by burning hydrocarbons, is more green than individually burning hydrocarbons. You break even using coal (which 1. should be put to death already, 2. is impressive given how utterly filthy coal is, and 3. only accounts for 28% of US energy production) but even natural gas produced electricity (35% of US energy production) results in a greener output over ICE powered vehicles. Best is nuclear/renewables (36% of US energy production).

Future is electric. It has issues, but it isn’t that far behind the century old development of internal combustion engines and their infrastructure.

 

Jeez...

 

I prefere to pump out "greenhouse gasses", just for fun!

 

Have you considered Beano?

 

its a little more then a 1/4 century.when harley earl died so did style in cars.

 

Stating your opinion as a fact does not make it one. The complexity of a battery system, charging apparatus, regenerative braking, etc,is much more complicated than gasoline equivalent. You will remember, being on a classic car site, that gasoline engine cars have existed for 100 years and mass produced electric cars are just now being made.

I have seen hydrogen cars; the automotive manufacture for which I do engineering work has one in production. I did not claim that hybrids were the end game; I claimed they are superior to electric vehicles. Electric vehicles face challenges which are not adequately dealt with; it is difficult to charge quickly, the grid cannot handle large loads like everyone charging, there aren't charging stations around, and there's no way to refuel on the side of the road other than a generator. Electric cars are in very small numbers because they are too expensive and have too many drawbacks for all but the idly rich liberal.

I'm not exactly sure how you can argue my point about a hybrid battery having the power to kill you easily by saying a car battery is deadly.

 

f = flux,as in flux capacitor lol

 

I'm going to close this thread.