http://www.oldcarsweekly.com/car-of-...&rid=241895389

 

I saw some errors.

 

Hmm ah Never mind.

 

Beautiful car just not as rare as the owner portrays it to be.

 

Care to share?

 

The most glaring is that the Cutlass Supreme debuted in 1970.

 

As usual, another total restoration that (now) has every option possible in the parts book. And a factory W-25 car would have had the wide stripes on the hood.

 

"I had the heads ported and polished by Joe Modello when he was still alive."
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you don't say! I guess Joe hasn't ported many heads since after he passed on.


I had higher-compression pistons put in. It was bored .30 over.
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So, it's not really a W32 anymore?
4.125" + 0.30" = 4.425" is a pretty good size piston, bigger diameter than the 403.
(Writers can't seem to grasp the concept that the position of numbers relative to the decimal point matters... a lot. Why not just write "30 over" or "thirty over"? It's thirty thousandths, not 30 hundredths...)

 

Well, I was going to copy and post the article here, but checked in first...oh what the heck: http://www.oldcarsweekly.com/car-of-...omment-2968243

 

With all that said it is a nice car still.

 

LOL! I have to say, you do have a great sense of humor! I enjoy reading your comments!

 

The power lock switch location correct? What happened to the pull straps on the doors? I like the color and the paint.

 

Thank you! I try....


"Writers can't seem to grasp the concept that the position of numbers relative to the decimal point matters... a lot. "

On the NBC news tonight... even the nation's premier journalists can't grasp the concept of a decimal point... they were explaining the odds of composing the correct perfect March Sports of Some Sort "bracket" - the odds are 1 in 9.2 Quintillion, to clarify, that's with eighteeeeeeen zeros. The tv screen shows:

"9.2000000000000000000"

For those who didn't catch that, the above says, literally, "nine point two, exactly, to the 19th decimal place." Using a decimal point there is not at all the same as a comma. It's against the rules that we use in order to make sense when we communicate, and relate info with minimal confusion. If you have
$9.2 dollars, that is a little short of $10, and the same as
$9.20, and the same as
$9.200 and the same as
$9.2000000000000000000. The only difference is the implied precision of the number.

You are not a quintillionaire because of numbers to the RIGHT of the decimal place.

What they MEANT was 1 in
92000000000000000000 "with eighteen zeros"

but, according to

http://www.businessinsider.com/odds-...bracket-2015-3

the odds if using simple 50/50 chances of each team winning are
1:9,223,372,036,854,775,808

So, really the NATIONAL NEWS program didn't even get that right. It would be roughly NINE with 18 zeros, or 9.2 x 10 to the 18th power, or 92 with SEVENteen zeros after it. I guess I just expect national news folks to grasp simple concepts and get it right, even if it doesn't really matter.

*sigh*

 

1970 supreme's did not have pull straps on the doors. The only things I spot wrong with the car is the SSII should not be body color and IIRC that the washer bottle was supposed to be on the passenger side when the 455 is in place. Oh and ditto on what Joe P said every option, I am sure that it has power trunk and trunk light.

Pat

 

Not my year of expertise, but I shall try.

-The w-32 was the top SX in performance, not the middle.
-The w-32 was originally a milder w-30 in a 69 442, not new for 70
-The engine is a 70 442's 455, which is NOT rare.
-The hood stripes are missing, and I'd bet money that hood is not original.
-Modello is a beer, Joe Mondello was an Olds engine builder. (It's Modelo, actually; the beer, that is.)
-Cutlass Supreme, I believe, debuted in 66 or 67.
-SSIII wheels started in 71, I think, and are technically incorrect on this car.

Not to pick nits, but the main issue is that this dude has a nice convertible SX, and it may have the w-32 455 in it, but that makes it absolutely nothing special because is it basically a 70 442 convertible without some of the 442 handling goodies (I am guessing the swaybar, boxed arms, and such). It is not the same thing as a Cutlass w-31, which could outrun 442s, or a 69 442 w-32, which could outrun 442s. Any original awesomeness the engine had has been negated by the hotrodding job he had done, so it's basically a 70 Cutlass convertible with a hopped up 455, which is the most common Olds seen at a car show anymore, and it even has the obligatory w-25 system.

Nice car. Not rare. Maybe esoteric. Not overly valuable.

 

Not rare?

Well, if it's a real SX ragtop, it's rare. And if it's a real W-32 car, it's even more so.

 

-- Actually in '69, W32 signified the 350 hp hot-cammed engine (which came standard with the manual transmission) with automatic (which normally got a milder 325-hp engine).


-- I think the wheels are SS IIs, just painted incorrectly.


-- I was under the impression that SXs came with the FE2 suspension, but I could be wrong there.


Otherwise, you're bang on. Good eye.

 

Well, since the only difference between the SSII and SSIII was the paint color, you are in essence agreeing with Koda.


I wonder which numbers told him this?
when I rebuilt the motor I checked out the numbers on the block and found out it was a hi-performance 455

 

I have 7122 or 7197 SXs for 70 spread out with 3 455 engine options and 2 body styles, CS and CS verts. 890 were W32s (some say 1025) but recently the 890 number seems correct. Not sure on how any of this was documented. Any one have a clue on 70 SX and SX W32 verts break down?
For 71 there were reportedly 2177 total SXs. One engne option in 71. The 250 hp 455. 357 verts. Again not sure where the number come from but its whats been accepted. I believe have something from the late Helen Early on the 71s I have to dig it out to see what it says. I inquired to the Historic center back in the mid or late 80s about SXs before I knew what they were. Stupid me had the chance to pick up a 71 vert back then. I passed because I didnt know what it was nor how low the numbers were...dauh So ya all 3 years of W32s are rare IMO

 

1025 appeared in a magazine almost 30 years ago, which ended up being an unsubstantiated urban legend.

However, according to the GM Heritage Center, 852 W-32s were built through June 1970. The July production records are missing.

7,122 SXs were built through June 1970. The acknowledged total in books 'n stuff is 7,197.

 

I misspoke. What I meant is that it is essentially a 442 convertible, which is not rare. It's cool, but it boils down to badging. I'd rather have a 442 convertible.

 

Ya another 38 were reported to be made before or after which = 890. Below is copied from Kurts web site wildaboutcars. Not sure what he means about the 852 vs 890?


"You could check off a few options like a console (the Supreme had buckets standard), sport wheel, Rocket Rally Pac, and the famed FE2 442 Rally Sports Suspension. That was pretty much it to start the year. The car would not have been very remarkable if the offerings stopped there. But they didn't. During the course of the year, Oldsmobile Bulletins flew out of Lansing on a regular basis changing what was available on an SX. Enough to make a Salesman's head spin.

What emerged was the W32, finally giving the SX its W-Machine status. Still a sub-option of the SX, the W32 engine was, however, one and the same as the auto trans 442 motor. It also included the OG performance callibration to the mandatory M40 auto transmission.

So you could now start with a Cutlass Supreme, check off Y79, W32, and FE2 and voila! You have all of the performance features of 442! And by coincidence, I'm *sure*, you also have what was called a high insurance rate dodge, a big issue by that year.What wasn't available on your SX? Here are some of the key items:

G88 3.91 Gears
G91 3.42 Gears (W-32 only)
M20 or M21 4-speed trans
W-25 Forced Air Induction
W-30 Package
Y73 Hood Stripe
Here were the major changes to the SX during the 1970 year:

Sept 5, '69 Bulletin introduces the W32. It also announced the availability of the famed W27 Aluminum Rear Axle Carrier and Cover with the W32. Production records show that no W27 rears made it into Cutlass Supremes, so obviously no SXs had it.(To see and download this factory bulletin, click here).

Feb 24, the L33 2-bbl 455 was dropped in favor of the L31 4-bbl 455. Not to be confused with the W32, the L31 was the basic 88-98 4-barrel 455. (To see and download this factory bulletin, click here).

1971 concluded the 2-year run for the SX, and for that year, it was pretty straightforward. It was basically the same as the '70, but with only one engine for the whole year, the L32 4-bbl 455, now with lower compression and its net horsepower rated at 250. This engine was only available in the SX and the Vista-Cruiser wagon, and was also the only way to get a 455 in a Cutlass Supreme Coupe in 1971.

SX Production:

1970: 7122 were produced through June, so earlier reports of 7197 for the year are probably correct. '70 W32: 852 were produced through June, so there were approx 890 for the year. That is a bit less than the widely believed 1025. As such, the W32 SX may be one of the rarest Olds muscle cars.
1971: SX production totaled 2177."

I will add 357 verts. Again I believe that number was confirmed by the Heritage Center. Ill will dig it out and scan it for all.

Not sure I totally under stand the addition of 38 cars but Ill let the masses decipher.
For more log on to the site.

info from wildaboutcars.com, Also check out sx455.com

 

Again, the concrete number we have is through June. He merely gave an estimate of what total production through June would be.