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Old May 26, 2022 | 07:54 PM
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Come on! Gas companies have been screwing the consumer, For the 65 years I been on this earth! Seen this a few times already. Any reason to rise prices and have windfall profits! Go look how much they are making this time. It will blown your mind.
Does anyone else have an electric utility company that keeps raising rates? Or is that just something that happens here in Arizona?

This was the latest rate hike info I could quickly find - there have been additional rate hikes between 2018 and 2021. There was also info about implementing "demand rates" in which prices go up dramatically during high use times.

In 2018, the average electricity price in Arizona was up 9.4% as compared to five years ago (2013), rose 24.3% as compared to 10 years ago (2008), and increased 54.22% as compared 17 years ago (2001).

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Old May 27, 2022 | 05:10 AM
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I wonder if the electric utility rates will go up or down when millions of EV’s are on the road?

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Old May 27, 2022 | 05:41 AM
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Of course they will go up because demand is so great. Then they have to figure out how to implement highway taxes due to the loss of gasoline tax.
Old May 27, 2022 | 05:54 AM
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Old May 27, 2022 | 06:31 AM
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Of course they will go up because demand is so great. Then they have to figure out how to implement highway taxes due to the loss of gasoline tax.
Glenn, that's an easy one: the tax will be shifted onto your vehicle registration.

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Old May 27, 2022 | 06:32 AM
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Of course they will go up because demand is so great. Then they have to figure out how to implement highway taxes due to the loss of gasoline tax.
They will still want thier "pound of flesh" The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare. Quote for the 'I Love the Poorly Educated' crowd who do not get it. You know who said that!

Me, hope to sell electricity back to the grid with solar .

Old May 27, 2022 | 07:08 AM
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Does anyone else have an electric utility company that keeps raising rates? Or is that just something that happens here in Arizona?
Kenneth, a nearby state is sucking amps out of your sockets, and dollars from your pockets. My daughter in San Diego pays 3.5 times what I pay in Texas.
Old May 27, 2022 | 07:22 AM
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Kenneth, a nearby state is sucking amps out of your sockets, and dollars from your pockets. My daughter in San Diego pays 3.5 times what I pay in Texas.
Yeah. they have shuttered their nuclear generating stations, are decommissioning their "clean" natural gas fired generating stations, have more people than generating capacity, with increasing demand expected in the future.

Back around 2008 I saw a documentary about California and electricity. The projected per capita electricity consumption could not be met with wind, solar, or even the current natural gas generators.
Old May 27, 2022 | 07:59 AM
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I do not understand how some regimes do not understand whether or not something is possible. It really makes my head hurt how people can not understand facts. There is only one set of facts for any given situation. The scientific method works on data and hypothesis. You can challenge my analysis of the data, or you can challenge my data and show how I am wrong on it. You don't get to just lie and preach your lies to others. I think the curse of being intelligent is dealing with those who aren't. I'm not a genius, but I am close on various tests, and when someone is just not intelligent, it shows in discussion with them. Many non-intelligent people are in positions of influence, so bad decisions are made.

California needs about 5 new nuclear plants out in the desert for power, and one for desalination on the coast somewhere.
Old May 27, 2022 | 08:37 AM
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evs are going to save the world 🌎!!! 🤣🤣🤣
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Old May 27, 2022 | 09:12 AM
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Koda, my friend at work refers to that phenomenon in the corporate world as "the ability to suspend reality". Someone (upper level management) has some "great" idea, and gets their peers to agree. It comes downhill (we're all standing at the bottom), and, while anyone with common sense can see how absolutely impossible it is, it gets implemented. The originator gets accolades, a bonus, and a promotion, the "great idea" fails, a new "great" idea comes around, and, in X amount of years, someone else has the same great idea that just failed. I've seen it many times.
Old May 27, 2022 | 01:21 PM
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Do you realy think. This is all the electric power we will ever have? A full transition from fossil fuels to renewable, clean energy will not happen overnight, but the need is growing more urgent.

Nuclear plants with the high cost to build, maintenance and waste disposal. Accidents can happen and leaks. Just see Chernobyl, Fukushima,Three Mile Island. 10,039 earthquakes in the past 365 days in California.

The US achieved a new record in April 2022 – for the first time, the US generated 20% of its electricity from wind and solar power

The Energy Information Administration (EIA) has announced planned deployments for 21.5 GW of solar and 7.6 GW of wind in the U.S. in 2022, based on surveys of developers through October 2021. For utility-scale solar, that would surpass the estimated 15.5 GW of solar additions in 2021. Texas also surpassed other states in the amount of storage it has under construction or in advanced development, reaching nearly 20,000 megawatts, followed by California at nearly 14,000 megawatts.

“If 2022 isn’t a record year, then 2023 and 2024 will be,” he said. “With the dedication from both the federal administration and from the utilities and corporate buyers that are looking to be able to claim 100% renewable power, there’s no way this market is going to be allowed to backtrack. There’s too much momentum pushing it forward. Even though there are headwinds, the drivers vastly outweigh the hurdles that the industry is facing.”

“Surpassing over 200 gigawatts of clean energy is a significant milestone for the United States and shows that we can achieve even more with strong public policy support for the industry,” Heather Zichal, CEO of the American Clean Power Association

Texas installed 7,352 megawatts of new wind, solar and energy installation projects in 2021, significantly outpacing California, which installed 2,697 megawatts of storage projects. Oklahoma, Florida and New Mexico were the other top producing states.
Old Jun 16, 2022 | 08:16 AM
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LMAO

Old Jun 16, 2022 | 08:53 AM
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meanwhile, https://www.khou.com/amp/article/new...f-2672adc6f39b
Old Jun 16, 2022 | 09:11 AM
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First Energy is dragging their feet on power restoration locally after moderate storm outages. Going on four days for many locally. They claim 'manpower shortages', which I don't buy for a minute. There has been smooth efficient crews sharing regionally for 100 years with these kind of localized storm outages. We are talking damage in four out of 88 counties in Ohio, more down state possibly.

Here comes rolling blackouts, we are being conditioned.
Old Jun 16, 2022 | 09:49 AM
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I have a buried drop coming to the house (built/wired 1976). The neutral went open the other day. The power techs temp'ed a bare #4 from my meter to my neighbors, right in front of their garage doors. All the neutral generators are loaned out, and the drop installation contractor is backed up 4 weeks. It's concentric cable, so it must be replaced and can't be repaired (easily). It fried my old treadmill and blew the dog fence transformer.
I hate electricity, sometimes!
Old Jun 16, 2022 | 09:58 AM
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Man I guess your mechanical ground must have been inadequate. I have a field of ground rods all interconnected and also bonded to the service entrance ground rod, for my radio station plant but also electrically benefiting the service entrance ground. At least one 8ft rod as close to the meter socket and panel as possible, welded if possible, some local codes want two rods today if the soil conductivity is below a certain testing threshold. Sorry to hear of the trouble, we take electrical service for granted.
Old Jun 16, 2022 | 10:11 AM
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There's a rod next to the meter; I assume it's 8'. I will be adding 1 or 2 more, once they get me a new drop.
Old Jun 16, 2022 | 10:20 AM
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CadWeld one shots are easy for 5/8" rods and #6 CU wire. Beats the heck out of even rated clamps.

https://www.gordonelectricsupply.com...xoCWa8QAvD_BwE

https://www.dxengineering.com/search...und-rod-clamps

Also W W Grainger



Old Jun 16, 2022 | 10:22 AM
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There's a rod next to the meter; I assume it's 8'. I will be adding 1 or 2 more, once they get me a new drop.
Never assume. Most guys just pound to they hit rock or something, way before that and cut them.US, NEC 250.52(A)(5) requires a minimum of two ground rods of length at least 8′ and diameter 5/8″, separated by at least 6′ to be in code, and preferably more like 16′-20′. You can connect them to the service disconnect however you wish, either in parallel or series.

It is a real pain to drive 8′ rods into hard soil, but you have to do it to be within code. It helps to sharpen the bottom of the rod when driving it. If you hit a rock, tough luck, start over.

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Old Jun 16, 2022 | 10:25 AM
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When I installed the interior 30A subpanel for my detached man-cave I installed one 8' solid copper ground rod ~10' from the subpanel to a depth of 7'9". I have water saturated clay soil at a depth less than 3' rear round even during the worst of drought conditions. Soggy bottoms along the Atlantic coast.
Old Jun 16, 2022 | 10:36 AM
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I suggest using a demolition hammer, and a 5/8 rod attachment. I bought a excellent DeWalt hammer from a pawn shop on ebay for $80, and the attachment tool was another $24. Installing them is effortless this way and is how the pros do it, I've done about 20 here with a few more to go, and some of them using Erico couplers for two rods and 16' total depth. Use heavy gloves the vibration will flare up old carpal tunnel conditions. Here is a 'real world' vid of what I describe, my DeWalt is corded his is a bucks up battery job, driving that close to the foundation you better know damn well where everything is buried, especially the foundation drains:


Old Jun 16, 2022 | 10:39 AM
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Yup, other neighbor is a service electrician.... seen that trick
Old Jun 16, 2022 | 10:56 AM
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Here is more food for thought. The copper plated rods age out, Erico specs ±25years, and you can see what these removed rods lightly cleaned with steel wool look like after a minimum of 20 years, some found have been in much longer. One is a genuine Copperweld rod. Galvanic action especially if the rod is heavily conducting will just about negate the plating. So a new copper plated rod sunk in undisturbed soil, welded is a top shelf way to go in my opinion. Your neighbor relying on experience and knowing the local codes should help you square it away.




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Old Jun 17, 2022 | 08:32 AM
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Interesting article on some facts about EVs that most are not aware of.

Is it ethical to purchase a lithium battery powered EV? - CFACT
Old Jun 17, 2022 | 08:42 AM
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Interesting article on some facts about EVs that most are not aware of.

Is it ethical to purchase a lithium battery powered EV? - CFACT
Same guys reject the scientific consensus on climate change.
Old Jun 17, 2022 | 08:57 AM
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Same guys reject the scientific consensus on climate change.
There is no scientific consensus on what climate change and global warming is, or even the scientific consensus definition on what science is thought to agree. The media feeding political agendas simply state consensus exists, where really there is none, think ******* and belly button parable. The internet is not the center of discussion on what the facts actually are.

I felt a bit gratified at Carl Sagen's ideas being totally repudiated in the early internet days of the gulf oil well fires according to Sagen taking us to nuclear winter. He didn't know a guy named Red Adair wearing a Rolex timepiece, let alone Sagen's flawed understanding of what he thought would happen. Just sell those books.




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Climate change is happening, naturally and or man made. Its plain to see.
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Climate change is happening, naturally and or man made. Its plain to see.
Amen
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Climate change has been happening since the beginning of time
Old Jun 17, 2022 | 11:28 AM
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Climate change has been happening since the beginning of time
It's cyclical, too. The problem is that reliable records only exist for a few hundred out of MILLIONS of years,, a snapshot in time equivalent to the size if the planet in the galaxy....
Old Jun 17, 2022 | 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by HighwayStar 442
Same guys reject the scientific consensus on climate change.
I saw an interesting video on TED TV where the speaker broke down the carbon cost of a typical EV under the current power supply source versus the typical modern ICE vehicle. Because of the additional initial carbon cost of manufacturing an EV and the shorter range, it would require the EV to run for 400k miles to have as small a footprint as the ICE vehicle. He didn't even take into account the initial carbon cost of construction of the energy sources which is relatively greater for renewables which have a much lower energy return compared to fossil fuel plants (about 1/4 the return).
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Lets not overthink this, nature will take of this no doubt. The real problem is we just have too many people in this world at this time At one time nature took care of this issue as in it the four horses of apocalypse biblical way. But most of these loopholes have been plugged, so she(nature) is going to fix it her way. Time will tell, but for sure we can't go on the same-o- same-o way. There will be shifts and adjustments made, people and things will go away, and she will start over. Been happening for four billion years, time after time, nothing personal ,just the way the world works...A view from Forest Ranch, Tedd
Old Jun 17, 2022 | 01:13 PM
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Lets not overthink this, nature will take of this no doubt. The real problem is we just have too many people in this world at this time At one time nature took care of this issue as in it the four horses of apocalypse biblical way. But most of these loopholes have been plugged, so she(nature) is going to fix it her way. Time will tell, but for sure we can't go on the same-o- same-o way. There will be shifts and adjustments made, people and things will go away, and she will start over. Been happening for four billion years, time after time, nothing personal ,just the way the world works...A view from Forest Ranch, Tedd
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Like dinosaurs, an asteroid could hit the earth. Kill all life or most life and start over. My Daughter hates that one, when I tell her.

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Nature is already taking care of overpopulation. When the developed world increased industrialization after WW2, most countries saw a population shift from rural to urban with the average rural woman having at least 5 or more kids to help with work on the farm compared with the average urban woman not having the required 2.1 kids to achieve replacement since raising big families in the city is an expense not a benefit. It takes about 80 years to see a drop in population when replacement is not achieved, and we are beginning to see this happening. Coupled with the toxins in our environment reducing sperm count and testosterone in men, there is no doubt we will see a reduction before what was previously anticipated.
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I agree with you, Tedd. I have always maintained that the world will survive, with or without us. We may not like it, but that's just the way it is.
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We're going to go try to screw up Mars. It's a tall order with no ecosystem and whatnot, but I have absolute faith that we will.
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Did you see in the news that the EU is considering placing Lithium on the TOXIC CHEMICAL list?

Result would be higher priced EV batteries and more lengthy production times. The EU hates EVERYTHING. Even "Life" cereal.
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Originally Posted by Donaldbabineau
I saw an interesting video on TED TV where the speaker broke down the carbon cost of a typical EV under the current power supply source versus the typical modern ICE vehicle. Because of the additional initial carbon cost of manufacturing an EV and the shorter range, it would require the EV to run for 400k miles to have as small a footprint as the ICE vehicle. He didn't even take into account the initial carbon cost of construction of the energy sources which is relatively greater for renewables which have a much lower energy return compared to fossil fuel plants (about 1/4 the return).
Did they mention the electrical vendors asking everyone to turn off or raise the thermostat to save power? They can't even keep the friggen A/C on much less charge the worthless EV's.
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We're going to go try to screw up Mars. It's a tall order with no ecosystem and whatnot, but I have absolute faith that we will.
Now that's funny!

Did you see a few years ago that NASA discovered global warming there as well? Before we even set foot on that planet.



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