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Old March 18th, 2023 | 08:40 PM
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455 F/Fa Blocks

Ok,what year did they start with the Fa 455 blocks. The Super Cars Unlimited fact book says the the F block was used 68-72 and the Fa block was used 72-76. Was 72 a over lapping year or is the book wrong? I have always thought the Fa block was a 73-76 deal. Anybody?
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That incorrect info just keeps getting regurgitated. I personally have a sans-serif "F" block with a 1973 VIN derivative stamp, and I've seen a similar "F" block with a 74 VIN derivative. I should note that the engine I have also has a manual trans crank and "KA" heads. One may infer from this that the F blocks were used past 1972 on cars with manual transmission, but I've also seen an "FA" block with the hole for the pivot ball drilled and tapped. I have not seen any "FA" blocks with a 1972 VIN derivative.

For what it's worth, here's the "FA" block with the pivot ball hole. It's hard to make out, but that's a 1973 VIN derivative.





Old March 19th, 2023 | 07:53 AM
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Jet boats, and I assume irrigation pumps, have flywheels. Maybe the flywheel comes as a drilled crank/ manual trans order from the factory?
Old March 19th, 2023 | 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by fleming442
Jet boats, and I assume irrigation pumps, have flywheels. Maybe the flywheel comes as a drilled crank/ manual trans order from the factory?
Jet boats dont come with VIN stamps

Old March 19th, 2023 | 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by joe_padavano
That incorrect info just keeps getting regurgitated. I personally have a sans-serif "F" block with a 1973 VIN derivative stamp, and I've seen a similar "F" block with a 74 VIN derivative. I should note that the engine I have also has a manual trans crank and "KA" heads. One may infer from this that the F blocks were used past 1972 on cars with manual transmission, but I've also seen an "FA" block with the hole for the pivot ball drilled and tapped. I have not seen any "FA" blocks with a 1972 VIN derivative.

For what it's worth, here's the "FA" block with the pivot ball hole. It's hard to make out, but that's a 1973 VIN derivative.




Thanks Joe for the info.
Old March 19th, 2023 | 12:20 PM
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I can share I had an F block with the 1973 derivative stamped into it. Like Joe's, it had a crank drilled for the manual transmission. One difference was that it had J heads on it.
Old March 19th, 2023 | 04:42 PM
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My point was more about the lack of manual Collonade cars. There can't be that many.
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My point was more about the lack of manual Collonade cars. There can't be that many.
But the number isn't zero. A good friend of mine in college had a 1973 442 V-code (factory 455 and four speed). While I've never been a fan of the collonade cars, I wish I had appreciated how rare that one was at the time.
Old March 20th, 2023 | 07:48 AM
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I have a 74 F block with z bar hole. no idea what model car it came out of but surely it had to be a colonnade
Old March 20th, 2023 | 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by joe_padavano
But the number isn't zero. A good friend of mine in college had a 1973 442 V-code (factory 455 and four speed). While I've never been a fan of the collonade cars, I wish I had appreciated how rare that one was at the time.
I would love a car like that! Do you know what four speed they would have put behind the 455?
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I have a 74 F block with z bar hole. no idea what model car it came out of but surely it had to be a colonnade
Yes. 1971 was the last time you could get a manual trans in the full size cars (a column-shifted version of the don't-call-it-a-Ford Dearborn trans).
Old March 20th, 2023 | 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by joe_padavano
Yes. 1971 was the last time you could get a manual trans in the full size cars (a column-shifted version of the don't-call-it-a-Ford Dearborn trans).
How about the Type F ten bolt rear end?
Old March 20th, 2023 | 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by joe_padavano
But the number isn't zero. A good friend of mine in college had a 1973 442 V-code (factory 455 and four speed). While I've never been a fan of the collonade cars, I wish I had appreciated how rare that one was at the time.
The 73 442 4 speed would have had the same powertrain as the same specced 72?
Old March 20th, 2023 | 06:24 PM
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From '72 to '73 the compression ratio stayed the same, but the heads changed from Ga to J. The J heads are supposed to be more restrictive on the exhaust ports but I dunno if there was any overall difference from a "black box" perspective.
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From '72 to '73 the compression ratio stayed the same, but the heads changed from Ga to J. The J heads are supposed to be more restrictive on the exhaust ports but I dunno if there was any overall difference from a "black box" perspective.
73s also had EGR, 72s did not. It also appears that V-code 73s may have gotten K or KA heads, but I don't have proof of this. This would be consistent with that 73 F block that I have.
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I hate EGR add on systems. I chucked the one on my Club Wagon out the side door.
Old March 21st, 2023 | 07:11 PM
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Exactly what is a "Collonade" car?
Old March 21st, 2023 | 10:17 PM
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Collonade cars were GM A bodies from 73-77, named so because the name means row of pillars. New federal regulations banned hard tops by mandating better rollover performance, so every one had a B pillar.

https://www.chathamthisweek.com/opin...-the-mid-1970s
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Thanks, then I actually owned one in my 75 Cutlass Salon I suppose. I am an Olds maniac and do not recall the Callonade tag nomenclature
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Thanks, then I actually owned one in my 75 Cutlass Salon I suppose. I am an Olds maniac and do not recall the Callonade tag nomenclature
It's actually "colonnade".

https://www.chathamthisweek.com/opin...-the-mid-1970s

The interesting trivia factoid is that the downsized 1977 B and C-body cars essentially used the chassis from the 1973-77 A-body colonnade cars.
Old March 22nd, 2023 | 02:57 PM
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yes- years ago i got new front springs for my 74 supreme- didn't notice at the time but after we got em on and the front end seemed a little high, I noticed the slip said '1974 full size' .. I thought the counter guy knew the cars..maybe that's why he was thinking full size..
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I have a 73 derivative f serif block that came out of a jet boat, so not original to the boat. Assuming it came out of a manual transmission car since it
had a flywheel.​
Old March 24th, 2023 | 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Donaldbabineau
I have a 73 derivative f serif block that came out of a jet boat, so not original to the boat. Assuming it came out of a manual transmission car since it
had a flywheel.​
Jet boat motors typically use a manual trans flywheel.
Old March 24th, 2023 | 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by joe_padavano
Jet boat motors typically use a manual trans flywheel.
Yes and it could have been an 73 automatic car it originally came out of
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"Jet boats don't have VIN numbers"

Nanny, Nanny, boo-boo
Old March 25th, 2023 | 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by fleming442
"Jet boats don't have VIN numbers"

Nanny, Nanny, boo-boo
I never said the engine was original to the jet boat. The boat was a 78 model. The VIN ID confirms it came out of a 73 Oldsmobile. My 71Cutlass is probably its third home. The E heads did not come with the motor either, but the intake numbers are consistent with the 1973 block.
Old March 25th, 2023 | 07:35 PM
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I didn't, either. Scroll up
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