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Old December 21st, 2021, 06:41 PM
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Now I wish I had never posted about the damn car. Maybe Eric will go ahead and close this thread because it has just deteriorated into a big pissing contest. Give it a break guys.
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Old December 21st, 2021, 06:46 PM
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All good here.
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Now I wish I had never posted about the damn car. Maybe Eric will go ahead and close this thread because it has just deteriorated into a big pissing contest. Give it a break guys.
HAHAHA!
y'all act like you're buying the damn thing for $200k, anyway. Personally, I think think the trunk lid looks like shjt and devalues the car greatly. All those signatures are from 2008-2010, after the restoration.
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Old December 22nd, 2021, 06:41 AM
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This is a weird thread. Merry Christmas, I guess...
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Old December 22nd, 2021, 06:48 AM
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This is a weird thread. Merry Christmas, I guess...
Jeff - Like it's 5 o'clock somewhere, it's a Merry Christmas somewhere, as well....

Merry Christmas, Jeff.
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Old December 22nd, 2021, 06:51 AM
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Jeff - Like it's 5 o'clock somewhere, it's a Merry Christmas somewhere, as well....

Merry Christmas, Jeff.
Thanks, Norm... Merry Christmas to you as well.

When I unplugged the clock on my 64 years ago (so it wouldn't drain the battery), I set it to 5 o'clock. 😆
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From the way I understand the Hemmings write-up and the write-up from Mecum this automobile does not possess its original engine; however, it does retain its born-with transmission. If accurate, this might help to understand the final price at auction.

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Old December 22nd, 2021, 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by fleming442
HAHAHA!
y'all act like you're buying the damn thing for $200k, anyway. Personally, I think think the trunk lid looks like shjt and devalues the car greatly. All those signatures are from 2008-2010, after the restoration.
Even today I doubt Linda Vaughn's signature devalues anything.
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Old December 22nd, 2021, 02:32 PM
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Enough already kids... go to your respective corners.
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Old December 22nd, 2021, 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by redoldsman
Even today I doubt Linda Vaughn's signature devalues anything.
The autographs on that deck lid are an incredible group of Oldsmobile royalty. That took effort and I bet they all knew the car. Priceless no matter when they were layed down. Oldsmobile roots.

The most valuable thing in this car is it's proven, very well documented and known by all history. Honestly this car would be so cool to buy and put all the factory lettering decals etc back on it.

I am sure it will bring the money.

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Old December 22nd, 2021, 04:55 PM
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I'm pretty sure that the purchase price includes the lettering, decals and accolades.
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Old December 22nd, 2021, 05:20 PM
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Are the valve covers on backwards or is it just shadows? My stick holiday coupe W-30 didn't come with a fan shroud, are convertibles different?
Great piece of Oldsmobile History. It is without question one of the 96, for those who care to research the history.

No, Convertibles are not different. 3.42 geared 4 speed, three core radiator W-30s did not get a shroud while the 3.91 gear 4 core radiator cars did.
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Old December 22nd, 2021, 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by fleming442
HAHAHA!
y'all act like you're buying the damn thing for $200k, anyway. Personally, I think think the trunk lid looks like shjt and devalues the car greatly. All those signatures are from 2008-2010, after the restoration.
exactly….

Erase the cars actual history , then create a trunk shrine?

to all the thin skinned cry babies on here, you are crying over nothing.

good lord.
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Old December 22nd, 2021, 07:50 PM
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I love the car. Good Luck With The Sale.
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Old December 22nd, 2021, 08:33 PM
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Good Luck With The Sale.
For REAL! I hope it sells for CRAZY Oldsmobile money.
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Old December 22nd, 2021, 10:11 PM
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Simply a gorgeous car by any definition. If the car does not have the original motor, I assume that will effect the price to some degree. A restoration to this level was very expensive, so I hope the seller kills it at auction with this beauty.
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Old December 23rd, 2021, 06:19 AM
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Stephen your stripe ends look very good. Its that kind of attention to detail that really reaches out to the Olds enthusiasts! Well done
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Old December 23rd, 2021, 10:43 AM
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Thanks Retro.

Bumpers and side stripes are intricately linked in my opinion. One component complements the other.

In my case, it took two floor jacks, 4 hands, 2x4s, shims, and a good deal of patience to make the front bumper and side stripe alignments happen. In general, our ‘70 model cars suffer alignment issues between stripe and bumper, and it often continues across the front or rear of the car. Of course, if any car bumper has suffered impact damage, alignment becomes more of a challenge for us.

Most hobbyists may be surprised to find so much adjustment in the lower fender brace when dealing with the front clip. As a hobbyist myself, I’ve learned that with patience and my friend, the shim, that most alignment issues can be greatly improved upon.
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Old December 23rd, 2021, 01:27 PM
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Were all good friends w the “the shim” on these cars
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Old December 23rd, 2021, 02:34 PM
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LOL, perhaps I should have said my friend, Shim.
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Old December 23rd, 2021, 07:03 PM
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My main point on this car was said so many times. This is an ex drag car. It has been known since day one. Gee Gomer... An ex 1970 drag car has the non original motor?? Gee really? This car is well known documented etc. Look at the questionable BS that sells for stupid money. People pay 50k plus for faked reworked crap ALL Day. People defend the questionable junk but to pick at this car? I don't get it And I don't want to. Don't want to be in that mindset. This car is so cool in it's known history. Talk as much crap as you want towards me. I Am an Oldsmobile Fan from day one. This car is REAL. Of all the crap fools overpay for... This isn't that.
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Old December 26th, 2021, 04:45 AM
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Lubic Olds. Who are these guys?

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Ok stop, please. I knew the original owner and the car since this car was delivered new to General Sales. The owner was originally Paul Mayo, my Oldsmobile mentor. I had the same car except my car was blue with a white top and white interior, automatic. Paul taught me everything about the importance of Oldsmobile timing, point dwell, removing our power steering belts, staging, and how to get the most out of our cars racing in pure stock class. Paul lived in Exton, PA, and I still remember Paul's phone number, 363-6664 (no area codes in 1970). We used to meet at Paul's house, tune and wash our cars in preparation for organized racing. We raced at Atco Dragway, Englishtown, NJ, Cecil County Maryland, etc. I stayed in pure stock and Paul moved on to the point in which his car had to be trailered. Paul brought my car down to 13.28 at 108.78MPH, pure stock, with factory air. Paul's car was a 4 speed and air conditioning was not available. Paul car was later purchased by Ron McHugh, the current owner. Ron offered the car to me, but I must have air conditioning. I know so much about this car. When the car sells, a piece of my heart will go with the car......so many great memories.

This is Paul's car in his Exton, PA driveway, top down.


Paul's car in his Exton, Pa driveway, winter.

Racing GG/Z pure stock class.

Staging lanes, Atco Dragway, Atco, NJ

Self explanatory.


Englishtown, NJ. Front wheels off of the ground.

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This is one of my favorite cars, great color combo (love the blue stripes, one day I may change my white stripes to that blue, would be an interesting look). How many convertible cars let alone W30s have this racing history. Not that I'd pay for it but as others have said, if one car deserves a premium this car does.
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Old December 29th, 2021, 02:14 PM
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Also going up for auction at Kissimmee
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About what time did the 70-442 vert 4 speed sell (was that today or yesterday)? I recorded the different time slots, will look at the footage tomorrow.
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Old January 14th, 2022, 05:57 PM
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TV coverage is so pathetic, focused on promoting bidding, screaming “the reserve is off”, and insipidly creating emotional fervor, with few specifics about the cars themselves - and an over abundance of commercial interruptions. Therefore I just look at the results, or watch online, so no idea what time it went through.

But to reiterate, it’s a fabulous place to spend a few days looking at classic cars in person!

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Old January 14th, 2022, 06:15 PM
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The white convertible sold today, but it was a few lots after TV coverage ended.
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White convertible hammered for $220k - bidding was spirited. I guess all in equals $242. A black ‘70 W30 nicknamed The Black Stallion ? goes off tomorrow. Beautiful car - W27 rear - no reserve. The Spagnoli Collection goes off tomorrow morning.

Overall I would say that bidding and sales have been choppy. Lots of high end cars like rare Vettes and Hemi Cuda convertibles did not sell. One Vette went to $2.4 million and I think a ‘Cuda Hemi convertible went to $1.5 million. Attendance seems down from 2 years ago and phone bidding is just ok.

A triple yellow ‘67 442 convertible, older restoration by Thornton, hammered at $80k. Beautiful car - I guess all in it was $88k.

A ‘69 Hurst Olds hammered at 72k.

Lots of Oldsmobiles on the block tomorrow.

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Old January 14th, 2022, 08:06 PM
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Thanks for sharing. While one of my all time favorites, the 69 HO's have seemed to peak over the last 5 yrs or so at auctions. 70-442 verts, especially w/4 speed seem to slightly continue to increase, obviously w/vert W30's leading the way.
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Old January 20th, 2022, 08:07 PM
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I think it would have sold more, if it had the correct wing
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