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Old Apr 26, 2021 | 07:01 PM
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1970 442 Convertible

I just saw this car for sale on Ebay. The car is Azure blue, blue convertible top, blue interior and factory air. I went through the photographs and I saw a wing on the decklid, W-30 stripes and 1971 fenders. Nice car. Why the wing and W-30 stripes??



https://www.ebay.com/itm/33397437081...wAAOSw8HdggiNN
Old Apr 26, 2021 | 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by twilightblue28A
I just saw this car for sale on Ebay. The car is Azure blue, blue convertible top, blue interior and factory air. I went through the photographs and I saw a wing on the decklid, W-30 stripes and 1971 fenders. Nice car. Why the wing and W-30 stripes??



https://www.ebay.com/itm/33397437081...wAAOSw8HdggiNN
Because that's what damn near every fool does.

Funny thing is. Adding all the BS whatever only makes people question the authenticity that much more.
Old Apr 26, 2021 | 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by twilightblue28A
I just saw this car for sale on Ebay. The car is Azure blue, blue convertible top, blue interior and factory air. I went through the photographs and I saw a wing on the decklid, W-30 stripes and 1971 fenders. Nice car. Why the wing and W-30 stripes??



https://www.ebay.com/itm/33397437081...wAAOSw8HdggiNN
Cause they're a crappy used car lot trying to squeeze their customers for every dollar. If you do a Google search for reviews, you will see some how nice they are until they have your money, after that its FO and die.
Old Apr 26, 2021 | 07:26 PM
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80k and zero engine or under carriage pictures. I am so sick of over "restored" cars. They sure polish the crap out of the floor for glamor shot pictures don't they. F a high dollar dealer car. No thank you.

Is it me? Does the wing look crooked?


Sorry to everyone that I offend with this but I hate the wings. If it came factory well ok. This car didn't obviously. I can only imagine what this car started as.
Old Apr 26, 2021 | 07:44 PM
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Imagine the car without the wing, hood and 442 side stripes that match the blue convertible top.
Old Apr 26, 2021 | 07:49 PM
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I am fine with the hood. W stripes? Wing? Not so much. Of course they wussed out on a trunk lid stripe too. Imagine that. 80k. What a bargain.🤮
Old Apr 26, 2021 | 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by twilightblue28A
Imagine the car without the wing, hood and 442 side stripes that match the blue convertible top.
Hell it probably started out tan.
Old Apr 26, 2021 | 07:55 PM
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1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass 442 Convertible Flemings Ultimate Garage
Stock #:
2430
Exterior Color:
Azure Blue
Interior Color:
blue
Body Type:
Convertible
Transmission:
Automatic
Engine:
0
Mileage:
0

Vehicle Description


• 1970 Olds 442 convertible, beautifully restored (look under this car!) • rebuilt matching #'s 455 V8@ 365hp,
• rebuilt matching #'s Turbo 400 automatic,
• original HD rear posi-traction rear differential,
• ultra rare correct coded Azure blue paint w/ black stripes show waxed and detailed,
• optional W-25 OAI ram air hood and fresh air-air cleaner,
• Blue power convertible top with matching boot,
• correct blue bucket seat interior,
• factory console with optional Hurst his/hers shifter,
• optional Rally pac dash with full gauges and tach,
• optional factory air-conditioning,
• original AM/FM stereo sound
• power steering,
• power disc brakes,
• great sound dual exhaust w/ correct trumpet tips,
• color matched SSII rally wheels w/ BFG radial T/A's,
• 1 of only 2336 (88,578 built !) built how many are left ?
• Show or just drive this super rare matching #'s collectible 442 convertible.

Oh and another favorite for me is body color wheels on a 70. Some dumbass will sign up. It will look great next to their 65 stang.
Old Apr 26, 2021 | 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by twilightblue28A
Imagine the car without the wing, hood and 442 side stripes that match the blue convertible top.

Go check it out in person Harry, Rockville is only a few hours down 95 outside of DC - beautiful color combo despite a few anomalies
Old Apr 26, 2021 | 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by vCode442
Go check it out in person Harry, Rockville is only a few hours down 95 outside of DC - beautiful color combo despite a few anomalies
Really that car is worth 80 Grand??

I knew that I had seen that car before. It's also 71 and a Hurst

https://classics.autotrader.com/clas.../442/101477920
Old Apr 26, 2021 | 08:28 PM
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80k and zero engine or under carriage pictures. I am so sick of over "restored" cars. They sure polish the crap out of the floor for glamor shot pictures don't they. F a high dollar dealer car. No thank you.

Is it me? Does the wing look crooked?


Sorry to everyone that I offend with this but I hate the wings. If it came factory well ok. This car didn't obviously. I can only imagine what this car started as.
The picture is crooked, at least.
Old Apr 26, 2021 | 08:30 PM
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Classic Car Overview

1970 Oldsmobile 442 Convertible
FEATURES INCLUDE :
Azure Blue Color (Code 20 Paint)
Blue Interior (973 Trim) & 442 Specific Headrest Bucket Seating & Console
Dark Blue Convertible Top (Code C ) - Power Operated & Blue Convertible Top Boot
W-25 OAI Ram Air Induction - Twin Ducted Steel & Fiberglass OEM Hood & Hood Locks
W-26 HURST Dual Gate Shifter
Number's Matching Original 455 cubic inch 4bbl. V8 @ 365HP & 500TQ with 10.25:1 Compression
Number's Matching Original - Rebuilt TH400 3-Speed Automatic Transmission
Rally Pac Gauge Cluster w/ Tachometer
Dual Exhaust - Trumpet Exhaust Tips
Rally Pac Gauge Package w Tachometer & Clock
Air Conditioning / Heat
Power Windows
D-35 Body Color Sport Mirrors
AM/FM Delco Radio
Power Front Disc Brakes
Power Steering
14-Inch Olds Rally Wheels & Goodyear Polyglas G70-14 Tires & Spare
Spare Polyglas Tire/Wheel & Jacking Equipment
Enjoy the special video presentation and road test of this Olds 442 with the link below


'70 Olds 442 Convertible in action above ^ ^
This special 1970 Oldsmobile 442 convertible was purchased new at Don Davis Oldsmobile in Arlington, Texas by a gentleman who worked at GM's Arlington, Texas plant. It would remain in Texas for many years until my friend acquired the car in 1995 with 94,000 miles on the car. The car now has 106852 original miles. He has kept this car garaged & covered during his proud tenure of ownership. It has also been driven & maintained with documents & receipts to show. The numbers matching original 455 engine was previously overhauled prior to my friend's ownership. The number's matching transmission was overhauled at 103,001. At this time the radiator was also re-cored. This car has had one professional repaint of the original Azure Blue color that was completed in 2003 and is in great shape. This has always been a dry climate car.
This car was ordered in this beautiful Azure Blue color with blue interior & dark blue convertible top. Very few 442 Oldsmobiles were ordered in this combination. Always a Texas car, this example retains straight original body panels and sheetmetal throughout. The paint shows beautifully. The factory 14" Rally Wheels wear correct Goodyear Polyglas G70-14s all around.
Open the doors to 1970 and the beautiful Oldsmobile blue interior (973 TRIM). The 442 came standard with bucket seating and a center console. This car is also equipped with the optional HURST Dual Gate shifter.
The dash displays the optional Rally Pac gauges with tachometer & clock. A slightly different blue color-keyed Olds Starfire steering wheel was installed to match the interior years ago. The dash woodgrain applique is in excellent condition, accompanied by the 4-4-2 badge. The mileage reading is correct to this car. The Rally Pac Dash shows very well. This car is also optioned with air conditioning, fully functional.
The driver's seat shows a seam separation, the upholstery in otherwise great shape & correct.
The factory air conditioning blows cold. The heat blows hot. The AM/FM Delco radio works correctly too.
We have the owner's manual along with some original documentation and many receipts. The 442 standard center console is paired with the optional W-26 HURST Dual Gate shifter.
This is the correct W-25 Twin Duct Ram Air "OAI, Outside Air Induction" Hood with locks.
The door panels are in good condition. The woodgrain trim is wavy on these panels. The power windows are all working as is the power convertible top, redone in its correct dark blue color.
The Azure blue paint is a perfect fit for the dark blue hood duct stripes. Dark blue pinstriping is nicely done along the body line. Note the fit and finish of this Oldsmobile is excellent.
The bumper chrome is in good condition front to back. Note the trumpet exhaust tips (sounds excellent)
Under the hood is the numbers matching original 455/365HP 4bbl V8. See the engine pad partial VIN & date stamping # (30M121333) below. This previously rebuilt powerplant is paired with the overhauled original number's matching(30M121333)TH400 3-speed automatic transmission. The 3.23 geared differential is also original to the car. The Outside Air Induction system works correctly as well. This car is equipped with air conditioning, power steering, and power front disc brakes.

The transmission VIN stamping is shown in the photo above.

The original trim identification plate is in place as well. This car was built the 1st week of September 1969 (09A) in Lansing, Michigan (LAN). Its factory color combination is Azure Blue (20) with Blue Interior (973) and a Dark Blue top (C)
The trunk is in great shape as is the undercarriage, inner quarter panels, rocker panels, inner fenders, core support, inner wheel wells, etc. We have a factory assembly manual that will be included along with a factory chassis service manual & some Oldsmobile exclusive literature.
The door undersides are in excellent condition.
All of the glass is in very good condition as are the rubber seals.
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Sketchy internet car deals. Gotta love them.
Old Apr 26, 2021 | 08:33 PM
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This Covid crap has kept me mostly at home taking care of my elderly patients. I’ve only recently started to reduce my social distancing, so any opportunity to road trip for a car would be fun - especially to enlighten the seller. The color combo is awesome, and definitely worth a sunny day trip to check it out.

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Old Apr 26, 2021 | 08:39 PM
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Love the bullshit dealer speak. Oh my buddy that knew a guy has always had this 71 Hurst 442.. 🤮🤣😅

Got it for the discounted price of 76 Grand. You might want to lose the jumper cables. CLOWNS 🤡


Old Apr 26, 2021 | 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by vCode442
Definitely worth a sunny day trip to check it out.
Yeah see not so much for me. The problem is if somebody that's just wants to go throw jack at a 442? F's it up for the rest of us Olds fans.
Old Apr 26, 2021 | 08:49 PM
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How many parts on that car are repro? 90 percent I bet. Two dealers. Two ad's. One ad it is listed as a 71. This from the guy that had a friend that... ZERO engine or interior pictures. This car is screaming bs to me.

Early vin is one of the only things I like. Show me the vin. Show me the body tag. Show me the matching numbers. Show me before pictures.

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Old Apr 26, 2021 | 08:50 PM
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Not the cars fault it’s being sold by an idiot seller/dealer. I enjoy looking at these beautiful cars, and enlightening sellers as to possible deficiencies.

We all benefit when sharing our Oldsmobile knowledge, and buyers benefit when sellers are better informed. If someone from CO gets a look at it, they can give us an honest well-informed opinion of it - and everyone benefits.

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Old Apr 26, 2021 | 08:54 PM
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Exactly. That is why us that know and give a crap about Oldsmobile heritage need to call a turd a turd.
Old Apr 26, 2021 | 09:55 PM
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I'm almost positive that I looked at this car, pre-Fleming's. The car had matching blue 442 side stripes and a blue W-25 hood. I also remember that the door cards were wavy and did not have the rockets, both sides, and no wing. If I remember, the interior had to to be changed because the interior is blue and impossible to match correctly. The car in the video is the car that I am describing in this specific thread.

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Old Apr 26, 2021 | 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by twilightblue28A
I'm almost positive that I looked at this car, pre-Fleming's. The car had matching blue 442 side stripes and a blue W-25 hood. I also remember that the door cards did not have the rockets, both sides, and no wing. The car in the video is the car that I am describing in this specific thread.
Sucks they didn't just leave it that way. Go ahead. It's only 80 Grand...😶
Old Apr 27, 2021 | 11:23 AM
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Sucks they didn't just leave it that way. Go ahead. It's only 80 Grand...😶
Geez you comment on just about every post but we haven't seen you post your car, how come? I would love to help you with what is wrong with it.

OK so we know you don't like wings on converts, W30 stripes on non W cars, and over restored cars that may or may not be correct and classic car dealers. These cars are 50 plus years old now and hard to know what has been done to it over the years but it is still here running and driving while not your cup of tea there are many other people who might like it no matter how correct it is. So you don't like it.. move along

Old Apr 27, 2021 | 11:38 AM
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I agree.....

I don't know what's up with No1olds!! I haven't read that he has posted anything constructive. Randy just posted some photographs of his 442 that he's building and no1olds criticized his garage being too small.

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Old Apr 27, 2021 | 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by twilightblue28A
I agree.....

I don't know what's up with No1olds!! I haven't read that he has posted anything constructive. Randy just posted some photographs of his 442 that he's building and no1olds criticized his garage being too small.

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That was a joke... Hello. That's an awesome garage.

Forgive me for not being supportive of an overpriced dealer car. You are right. Overpriced dealer cars are not my cup of tea.
Old Apr 27, 2021 | 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by no1oldsfan
That was a joke... Hello. That's an awesome garage

Forgive me for not being supportive of an overpriced dealer car. You are right. Overpriced dealer cars are not my cup of tea.
Maybe you can find a 1970 442, factory air convertible, in either a number 1 or number 2 condition? In fact, I prefer a private owner. Please show me what you have or a car that you know is available for sale. Thanks!
Old Apr 27, 2021 | 01:24 PM
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Not the cars fault it’s being sold by an idiot seller/dealer. I enjoy looking at these beautiful cars, and enlightening sellers as to possible deficiencies.

We all benefit when sharing our Oldsmobile knowledge, and buyers benefit when sellers are better informed. If someone from CO gets a look at it, they can give us an honest well-informed opinion of it - and everyone benefits.
You may want to read their reviews before you waste your time taking a trip to fill them in. Seems they have no problem telling potential customers to pound sand if they dont show up ready to pay asking price.
Old Apr 27, 2021 | 02:01 PM
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1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass 442 Convertible Flemings Ultimate Garage
Stock #: 2430

• original HD rear
Can anyone tell me what that is supposed to mean? I know there were HD 31 spline rears in 67-68, but in 1970 they were all the standard 28 spline rears, right?
Old Apr 27, 2021 | 04:02 PM
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Can anyone tell me what that is supposed to mean?
It means that most dealers are idiots who are too lazy to take the time to familiarize themselves with the cars they are selling, so they just make **** up.
Old Apr 27, 2021 | 05:06 PM
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Can anyone tell me what that is supposed to mean? I know there were HD 31 spline rears in 67-68, but in 1970 they were all the standard 28 spline rears, right?
More cushion for the pushin'.
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Originally Posted by Fun71
Can anyone tell me what that is supposed to mean? I know there were HD 31 spline rears in 67-68, but in 1970 they were all the standard 28 spline rears, right?
Weren't there larger diameter axels that could be had in 70? I swear I owned a pair back years and years ago.
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