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Old October 31st, 2010, 01:09 PM
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1969 cutless S. Convitable

how many are still on the road today? 13,500 something were made so just curiouse how many were left?
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Old October 31st, 2010, 03:15 PM
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The number of 1969 "Cutless S. convitables" on the road today is zero, I can guarantee you that.

The number of 1969 Cutlass S convertibles (no period after the "S" as it's not an initial, just a letter) with V-8 engines produced was, as you say, very close to 13,500 (13,498, to be exact). There is no way to determine exactly how many are left. Survival rates, according to government statistics, are very roughly 1% after 25 years. This is for all cars and doesn't account for the fact that convertibles tended to be better preserved because of their desirability and perceived long-term value.

One percent of 13,498 is 135. But I would guess that there are more than 135 V-8 Cutlass S convertibles still in existence today. Probably several times more. Who knows. 500? 1000? Probably somewhere between those two values.
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Originally Posted by michael hilsabeck
how many are still on the road today? 13,500 something were made so just curiouse how many were left?
Well there's yours and mine, so that's two. And I know of two others here locally. So that's four. I actually figured there were many more than 13,500 or 13,498 to be exact.
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Originally Posted by HouTXCutlass
I actually figured there were many more than 13,500
Setting the Pace lists production of 1969 Cutlass S convertibles with 6-cylinder engines at 236 (so there's probably not more than a handful or two left today), Cutlass S with 8 cylinder engines at the 13,498 value given earlier, and 4,295 442s. That's just over 18,000 A-body convertibles for 1969.

For '68, production of the three models was very similar at 410, 13,667, and 5,142 for a total of 19,219. These values are the high-water mark of the '68-'72 style and actually for the entire '64-'72 "collectible Cutlass" era. For '70, total A-body convertible production was 14,287, for '71 it was 11,559, and for '72 it was 11,571. Going back earlier, for '64, there were 12,822 Cutlass convertibles made, for '65 it was 12,628, for '66 it was 12,154, and for '67, it was 15,241.

It's interesting how production stayed very consistent at around 11,000 to 12,000 per year during these years except for the bump in the middle ('67 to '69).
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mine is still on the road
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Old November 4th, 2010, 12:27 AM
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cool that is a nice car
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Old November 5th, 2010, 02:01 AM
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There is at least 10 in my local Olds club and I see a lot in Lansing
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Old November 5th, 2010, 05:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Redog
There is at least 10 in my local Olds club and I see a lot in Lansing
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This kind of information doesn't really tell you anything about overall survival rate, unless you can count up every '69 Cutlass convertible owned by a club member or a restorer everywhere in the country. You would expect that, by now, most '69 Cutlass convertibles would be in the hands of collectors.

In fact, I would guess that, by now, 95% or more, or maybe even 99% or more, of all surviving 1969 Cutlass convertibles would owned by collectors who are either restoring them or have restored them. Few, if any, are being used as daily drivers. But what this means is that they're not dying off any more, or, if they are, it's very slowly, as the ones that survive are being purposely preserved.

This would be true of any of the collectible cars from this or any era.
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+1 here. But mine is tucked away in the garage for the winter with half the dash removed for this winters projects.

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I got one here, had it for almost 20 years, giving it a restoration job now....a little 350 2bbl, goes like he!!.......
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Old November 5th, 2010, 09:32 AM
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69 442 conv. here. I think the survival rate for my model may be around 15-20%. Being its a 442 and a conv. That would leave around 700 still in existence. Does this sound crazy! I Would also agree that the survival rate for the cutlass conv might be around 7-10%. Just a guess, wish there was a way to find out for sure.

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Originally Posted by HouTXCutlass
Well there's yours and mine, so that's two. And I know of two others here locally. So that's four. I actually figured there were many more than 13,500 or 13,498 to be exact.
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i have 1 too. lol
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is there any way other than the build sheet to determine what number the car was off the assembly line? Where can i find (most likely spot) the build sheet? i havent ripped the car apart yet. Lol
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Originally Posted by dreamcar41
is there any way other than the build sheet to determine what number the car was off the assembly line? Where can i find (most likely spot) the build sheet? i havent ripped the car apart yet. Lol
The last 6 digits of your VIN will tell you what the sequence the car was on the assembly line it was manufactured at.
EDIT: If you want to know the body number of the car, look at your cowl tag
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Last 6 will only tell you the sequence # in that plant!
Each plant started with a different number, 1, 2, 3, etc.
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A 69 S rag just went through CL last month. Very rough, likely parted out.
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Old January 9th, 2012, 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Rickman48
Last 6 will only tell you the sequence # in that plant!
Yes, and????? I believe if you go back to look at my response to his question, that's exactly what he was asking....it's not logical to conclude anything else.
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Old January 9th, 2012, 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Rickman48
Each plant started with a different number, 1, 2, 3, etc.
It did?
According the CSM and AM for 72? All plants:
Lansing, Fremont, Framingham and Arlington used starting serial number 100001.

WAIT, Sorry I forgot this was for 1969 cars. So I went to the CSM and AM for 69
Shocker! These plants all started with serial numbers and plant codes listed below.
Lansing 100001 M
Linden 100001 C
Fairfax 100001 X
Freemont 100001 Z
Southgate 100001 E
Doraville 100001 D
Oshawa 100001 1

To determine the sequence the car was produced means you needed to know what plant it was born from. The only part about 1,2,3 that makes any sense is that out of each production line, there would be 100001, 100002, 100003 etc at the start of the yearly production run.

I think you meant each plant was designated a specific LETTER (except Oshawa - that was always 1) to put in the VIN plate, right?
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Guess I thought all GM would do the same - sorry!
Look on LS6 Registry - different plants -
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