Some more pictures.

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The last time it was on the road.
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Deluxe AM radio!

 

Sam, way cool pics. Happiness is happiness.

Did you have a chance to check and see if your underhood shows any traces of having hood insulation installed? Also, any firewall markings?

Joe

 

Hi there,
Thanks very much for the compliments.

I purchased the car about a year ago and put it up on the top lift and haven't really looked at it since. I will bring it down this week and take more pictures of various areas of the car.

I will look into the X marking under the hood and other firewall markings on the car.

I don't recall seeing any underhood insulation on the car or any traces. I do remember that the original owner had some stickers glued to the underside of the hood. I will look into this more.

Please let me know if I can help with anything else. I can take pictures of whatever you like.

Joe, I hope my car will look like yours one day! Great work and keep the pictures coming! Hope all is well.

Cheers,

Sam

 

Congrats, nice score!

 

Sam, thanks for the kind words. Hate to keep asking for more info, but I just spent about 1 hour looking at the famous Doc Watson 68 H/O road test on You Tube. I noticed a few things I was hoping you could check your car for:

1) In the video, there is no dash pin striping like all 68 442's had. Does your dash have striping or the remnants of it?

2) Like on my car, the test car (W-45) has some white scribbling on the firewall, and no square color letter stamps. The chracters all look like numbers - some scratched out, while mine had a couple of very sloppy letters and no numbers. Does yours have anything on it at all?

3) The test car has a "cheese" looking vacuum tank on the firewall, but obviously it is a non A/C car. I thought only A/C cars had the tank - does you car have one?

4) It is a long shot, but it looks like the master cylinder is painted black on the test car. Does you car gave the original, and if so is it black or cast iron in finish?


Thanks,
Joe

 

"Joe, I hope my car will look like yours one day!"

No! When they have all been "restored" then there will be no answers to inquiries like the above. Clean it, de-rust it, and leave it "not so fresh"....

 

The vac tank would be for the trunk release if it didn't have a/c

 

Hi Joe,

Here are some answers for you. I'm just looking at pictures I have here with me at work but I will be at the car tonight and will look for finer details.

#1- My car has NO dash striping and absolutely no remnants at all.

#2- My Hurst does have some white chalk marks on the firewall that are faintly visible. I can't make out what they are. There is NO coloured stamping at all. My W cars have coloured letters stamped inside a box on the firewall.

#3- My non AC car does NOT have the "cheese" looking vacuum tank on the firewall.

#4- I do have the original master cylinder on the car but I don't recall if it was painted black or if it has a cast iron finish. I will look into this tonight and post pictures.

Cheers,

Sam

 

I found a picture of the master cylinder on this computer. I'll take more detailed ones tonight.

What do you think? Painted black? Cast iron?

Cheers,
Sam

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Thanks Sam. Rob1960 posted that maybe the tank might be for the power trunk option. The test car in the video has the power antenna option so maybe that had that as well.


I've had my car at the Nationals twice - and no one ever noted that it should not have the dash striping. Since both the video and your car do not have it, off it comes. It is just vinyl pinstriping.


And wow Chris, since when did cars properly "restored" become a liability?

 

That is black - thanks so much Sam!!!!


Will you be at the Nationals? I'll buy you a round or two of Milwaukee's finest...

 

Here is a close-up picture of the master cylinder. It looks black to me.

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Cheers,
Sam

 

"since when did cars properly "restored" become a liability?"

When we are down to the last one unrestored I guess, that is still more or less a car.

Originality can't be duplicated.

 

Good evening,
I've talked to Dr. E (original owner) many times over the past year . He loves to share the history and stories of the cars past. His memory is excellent and remembers most things about the car like it was yesterday.

So, today I called him to ask about the significance of the Bugs Bunny decals on both front fenders of his Hurst Olds. His reasoning for adding the decals was funny. His friend had bought a Plymouth Road Runner in 1970 that had the Road Runner decals on the front fenders. So, Dr. E decided out of fun to add the Bugs Bunny decals to his Hurst Olds way back in the summer of 1970. He had a good chuckle as he shared the story with me tonight.

Joe - FWIW, he confirmed the master cylinder to be black and that there was NO underhood insulation installed on the car. He remembers adding stickers to the bottom of the hood and recalls that he did not have to remove anything including insulation to adhere the stickers.

Have a great night.

Sam


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The only thing screwed into the firewall is this small black box. Regulator??? You can also see some white chalk marking. There is something written right behind the distributor that I can't quite make out. I will get more detailed pictures of this area tomorrow and look further into other firewall markings.

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Let me know if you need any other pictures.

Have a great night,

Sam

 

Here is a picture under the hood. There still are many stickers glued to the radiator top plate.

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Sam

 

Here are a few pictures of the underside of the hood. There still is one sticker that is adhered to the bottom of the hood. There are remnants of 3 other stickers that were glued on the underside of the hood at one time.

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Sam, thanks so much for your efforts. There's a treasure trove of info here. Nice to meet great people who have great cars.

 

Here are some Old pictures.

Dr. E's wife is standing beside the car in the first picture. The young boy in the following pictures is their son. He has some good memories of the car from when he was younger. He remembers some fun days at the track with his dad during his youth. He and I keep in touch as well.
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Here is a picture of the "child harness" installed in the rear seat of the Hurst Olds. The harness is still installed in the car today.
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Cheers,
Sam

 

Weird. Mine has the dash striping (car is #327).

Edit: I should add, I've had no luck finding any firewall markings so far. Definitely no blocks in color like the later cars... need to start cleaning it slowly to see if anything pops up eventually.

 

Here are some better pictures of the dash stripes on mine. The inner/upper stripe is approximately 3/32" wide, the outer/bottom stripe is approximately 5/32" wide. It was hard to take the picture and hold the tape measure perfectly on the stripe tape edge.

 

Wow. Goes to show the inconsistencies! And I just finished removing mine today. The 68 video does not have it, Sam's car doesn't, Chris Dreiling's (another low production #) doesn't have it and yours does. Like the hood insulation, the PIM has nothing about deleting the dash striping, but there is enough evidence now - at least to me - that certain cars had orders to either delete in production or remove these items at Demmer. Why I guess we'll never know unless some documentation surfaces or Doc Watson remembers.

 

Hi all,

A friend of mine who owns a post coupe 68 Hurst Olds does not have the pinstriping on the dash of his car. He has owned the car for over 25 years.

I talked to Judy Badgely tonight to get Further details on his post Hurst Olds. He has never known the Demmer # or Olds # for his car until tonight.

My friends Hurst Olds has a production # in the mid 100's. His car was built 05D and sold at Bowe Cadillac-Olds in Woodbury NJ on June 6, 1968.

My car has an Olds production # in the mid 100's, built date of 05D and sold at Acey Oldsmobile in NYC, NY on June 7, 1968.

The Olds Prduction # for our cars is 9 units apart from each other. The Demmer Conversion # for the 2 cars is 26 units apart.


Cheers,
Sam

 

The '68 H/O that I owned was a rough example when I bought it in 1982. The photos I have of the interior show it did not have the stripes at that point in time. By then, it was also missing the wood off the dash (it had been de-Hursted for insurance purposes apparently including pulling the exterior emblems and they painted the red fender wells black). No question is was a legit car (ZZ paint code).

I did find it interesting that the glove box door still had the "442" logo on it. I guess they didn't bother to remove those before they put the wood over the top. Anyone else see that if you pulled the wood at some point?

 

That's interesting. I have to pull mine in the next few weeks to start refinishing it, I'll post an update once I check.

 

Mine had the 442 emblem on the glove box door as well.

Also, confused about the MC discussion. Shouldn't an original unit have the bleed screws on the side.

 

If the doctor drove the car until 1986, there is a good chance he replaced the original master cylinder at some point. Ten years of use would be a good lifespan of an original m/c, especially in the northeast. Back in the day, the rebuilt units would often be painted black by the rebuilders.