sammy

Picked up a 1967 CS yesterday, and having trouble identifying numbers-hope you guys could help

Style. 33817. 2-2-16
Body# OS. 304063
Paint. 9 PP
Trim. 970

CO8D55M33TOP27

Thanx,
Ted

rcorrigan5

Here's the first stab at it.

33817:
3 = GM division = Oldsmobile
38 = model series = Cutlass Supreme
17 = body type = holiday coupe

2-2-16: ?

OS = assembly plant = Oshawa Canada

304063 = body number (has no relation to the VIN)

9: ?

PP = lower and upper body colors = pewter for both

970 = interior color and front seat type = black with bucket seats

C08 = option code = vinyl top

D55 = option code = sports console

M33 = option code = jetaway variable-vane transmission

TO = ?

P27 = ? (might be a tire option)

That's my best guess. I hope someone else can fill in the blanks and make corrections!

Randy C.

Allan R

Hey Ted, You're turning into quite the collector... Good on ya!
Any chance you could post a pic of that cowl tag? (the vin will be on the drivers A pillar) I think Randy got most of it, but sometimes seeing the actual plate can solve the mystery of the numbers if you know what I mean.

Randy - the 17 - it's a hardtop coupe according to the CSM. Didn't have holiday coupe on the CS models. I agree with you on the other info you listed.

I'm wondering if the T0??? might be a cornering lamp option. Sometimes these cowl tags are easy to misread if they are lightly stamped or painted over several times.

sammy

Here is a picture of the cowl tag and VIN off my 67.
Here is a piece of paper I found in the back of the front driver side seat.

014
33817 NN 970 304067 A01 C08 C50 D55 F40 G80 M33 N10
N40 P61 U63 T#27
01

Any input would be apreciated.

Thanks,
Ted

rcorrigan5

And I was wondering about that vinyl top option as well. It appears to me the lower and upper body colors are pewter but then the CO8 option shows up. I'm thinking that a vinyl top should have a number code, not a letter code. And I don't show "pewter" as being a vinyl top color for 1967.

Thanks for the heads-up and clarification on the "hardtop coupe" nomenclature, Allan.

And that piece of paper has a lot more option codes. Here's what I see.
A01 = tinted windows
C08 = the vinyl roof again
C50 = rear window defroster
D55 = sports console
F40 = ?
G80 = anti-spin axle
M33 = Jetaway transmission variable vane
N10 = dual exhaust system
N40 = power steering
P61 = ?
U63 = deluxe radio
T#27 = ?
01 = ?
014 = ?
NN = ?

In any case, that's a darn nice piece of paper to have with your car. If all those options check out to what you really have, it's nice to have that original documentation.

Randy C.

Allan R

Randy, I think the F40 is one of the frames used for production. I see the police package used a F35 heavy duty frame. Wonder if this could be a reinforced frame of some kind. The rest of the info is a blank to me also at this time. I'll do some more digging.

And now, I find that 33817 is listed in the 67 Assembly manual as a "Holiday Coupe". Which manual do I believe? One says the CS is a hardtop coupe with specific detachment from Holiday coupe. The next calls it only a Holiday Coupe. (pulling what little hair I have left out....)

wmachine

Keep your hair, Allen. Believe both. I don't know what "detachment" you're referring to, but a "Holiday Coupe" is a "Hardtop Coupe". "Hardtop" and "Holiday" are both terms for a body that does not having a B pillar. Note that Holiday is in the more sales related areas and the term Hardtop just creeps up in a few places as an internal term. It's the model number that defines the model, not the name. Once again, the information we're examining was made to make and sell the cars at the time. It was not an exact science and it wasn't done to satisfy archeologists.

Allan R

I was referring to the CSM Kurt. In the 67 manual the CS was referred to as 'hardtop'. Several lines down where the Cutlass was listed there was a clear distinction (maybe 'detachment' was a poor word choice) showing 'Holiday Coupe'. Not sure why they wouldn't be consistent in their descriptions of the same body style. Certainly not worth worrying about I guess, since both refer to the lack of B pillar. I think Randy and I are both on the same page though with interpretation. Potayto, Potahto? Ultimately the same thing said differently

sammy

The options are working out on this car.
Had a look at the heads today on the 330:

Block-394457. 3

Heads-W. 409823. G

Also 394497 with casting -26- on top of head

Cylinder bore 3.9, dish looks to be very shallow

Transmission 1357570 on tailstock where meets tranny This one is a three speed

4bbl

330 4bbl high compression with a 3 speed auto????320 HP. Where is the 6 pack?

Ted

rcorrigan5

All I can say is that it is a well-optioned Cutlass, perhaps somewhat rare, and most likely a keeper!

Randy C.

sammy

Thanks for your input Randy! I will post the engine info in the engine forum or in general-I am worried about Allan,s hair volume, or lack thereof

Ted

Allan R

Also a bonus: since it was built at OSHAWA, GM vintage services will be able to provide documentation on it.

EDIT: Ted, don't worry bout my hair. I can always get a transplant......