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Of the known 64 442s on the list (originally created by Denny Urban and updated over the years by Ed Vickers, Bob Hamby and myself) that were built in Lansing as a Cutlass Sports Coupe, all have Fisher body tag style 3127. The Fremont built Cutlass Sports Coupe, two known, of which I own one, has body style 3227 listed on the body tag. Although, the back of the door panel has style 3127 written on the cardboard backing. It’s heavy water stained but still legible.
If you look at your POP closely, you will see that the POP has the correct body style of 3227 (denoting Cutlass Sports Coupe).
The 3127 cars inner portion on the seats could be either cloth or vinyl per Oldsmobile literature and the outer bolsters would always have morocceen vinyl. Per Oldsmobile literature, a true 3227 car should have morocceen vinyl. My 64 442, built in fremont with data tag 3227, had 3127 vinyl/cloth interior. The interior was original to the car, per my friend who was the original owner. He sadly passed away in July 2018. Anyway, back on track, your car has aftermarket seat coverings. However, your door panels are original 3127/3227 panels. You would need a broadcast sheet to determine the true seat material (cloth versus vinyl), but I would like to here from other 64 442 cutlass sports coupe owners to hear whether there cars have cloth versus vinyl seats. I’ve seen three 3127 442s, and all had cloth. Maybe all 64 442 sports coupe cars had cloth?? I’ve seen non-442 cutlass sports coupe (3127 on the body tag, dressed from factory as Cutlass 3227) with all vinyl seat as mentioned in the Oldsmobile literature, but the pattern is different than what is in your car. (I’ll post a picture of all vinyl 3127 that is actually a 3227 style.) Unfortunately I cannot discern seat fabric from the list of known cars, as it was not mentioned. As others have mentioned, the only place I’ve seen 3127 seat material is SMS Auto Fabrics in Canby, OR.
Your car is Regal Mist with a white top, paint code L-C.. Regal mist was a common color, but the two tone paint option code D99 was found on fewer cars. To date, of the 85 known 64 442s, only 10 other cars have two tone paint. Notice on your POP that paint code is LCA, which decodes as Regal Mist, White top, black wheels. As others have confirmed, the deluxe hub caps (Option code P02) you have pictured above were available in the 64 model year. Other than two tone paint, your car should be considered no more rare than any other lansing built cutlass sports coupe. We have never documented a 64 442 cutlass sports coupe from Lansing that has 3227 on the data plate.
I would like to know the Julian Date listed on the engine block by the distributor hole (my guess is 105 or less, with a number 2 above that number that is 105 or less), also what is the frame code (located by driver side rear frame rail exhaust hanger), rear gear, posi or open? I will add this info to the list of cars known.
Hope this helps clear up some things. Reach out if you need anything. Thanks, Brian.
Yes the 3127 was sold and badged as a Cutlass Sports Coupe. I have Dennis Urban's early inventory list of 64 442's dated January 2nd 1991 which shows 5 of the 50 cars on the list at that time were series 3127. The current OCA advisor Mark Cook has a 3127 with the cloth interior, I have one and the list shows three other 3127's owned by Bob Hamby, Jack Pinion, and Lynn Madewell. I've sent the information and other letters to Mark Cook the OCA advisor for reference. I just found it interesting that there were 3127 cars which were not shown as a choice for the 442 back in 64.
I recently purchased a 64 club coupe with a 3 speed stick and V6, another garage find within a mile of my house that was sitting since 1980. The original owner passed and his family sold me the car with the original paperwork. I could not keep it so it went to a good friend in my club who has badged it as 442 just for looks. Of course that one had the Club Coupe all vinyl interior. I have too many cars with four 65 442's and now the 64.
Yes the 3127 was sold and badged as a Cutlass Sports Coupe. I have Dennis Urban's early inventory list of 64 442's dated January 2nd 1991 which shows 5 of the 50 cars on the list at that time were series 3127. The current OCA advisor Mark Cook has a 3127 with the cloth interior, I have one and the list shows three other 3127's owned by Bob Hamby, Jack Pinion, and Lynn Madewell. I've sent the information and other letters to Mark Cook the OCA advisor for reference. I just found it interesting that there were 3127 cars which were not shown as a choice for the 442 back in 64.
I recently purchased a 64 club coupe with a 3 speed stick and V6, another garage find within a mile of my house that was sitting since 1980. The original owner passed and his family sold me the car with the original paperwork. I could not keep it so it went to a good friend in my club who has badged it as 442 just for looks. Of course that one had the Club Coupe all vinyl interior. I have too many cars with four 65 442's and now the 64.
I no longer see Jacks name on the list. Car must have traded hands. What’s that cars body number LA.....; Who’s car do you have? Just give me the body number, and I’ll figure it out from there.
Thanks for the pics. I've added the data to the file. BTW, great find. I've stopped looking over the years and it still amazes me when these cars turn up.
You and I have the same frame build date of 4/3/64, right down to the shift of production. Both of our cars, according to the data plate were made third week of April (4C on the data plate). Your car in Lansing and mine in Fremont.
Check to see if your heads are stamped with the POP code of T135254G. Your julian date of 35 on the block is the earliest I have seen for a 4C build car. Most are in the 60 to very low 100's for April and May builds. However, I would never assume it's not original based on that number, the main thing is that it precedes the build date of the car. The head code on the other hand does matter and is 100% linked to the car via the POP.
You and I have the same frame build date of 4/3/64, right down to the shift of production. Both of our cars, according to the data plate were made third week of April (4C on the data plate).
It's also interesting that this car was built the third week in April and was in the customer's possession April 30. There were five weeks in April, and that means that this car was on a transport, transported, of the transport, dealer prepped and in the hands of the customer around one week from the day it was manufactured.
Wow, you guys are sharing some really great information on these low production cars. We are the 2nd owners of a 63 Corvette convertible, paint code 900 Tuxedo Black, interior code 490 red. So few were made, nobody has the actual number built. In 64 is it recorded that only 1,800 were made. Happy Mother's Day...
It was a column standard shift from the factory and the original owner put in an off brand 3 speed floor shifter. The car had all of the original paperwork and was purchased in November 1963 in Brooklyn. I gave it to a friend in my club. It's fun to drive.
I had a 64 Buick Special with the V-6 back in 1975 -76 and a 65 sport coupe with a V-6, the engines ran great.
Recently found a 65 4 door F85 Deluxe with a V-6 low miles, gave that to another friend in the Club.
I just found a 64 442 Sports Coupe, its a project but this one I'm keeping. Original owner, documented car, lots of parts came with it as well as lots of work.
It was a column standard shift from the factory and the original owner put in an off brand 3 speed floor shifter.
That's strange, considering a floor option was available.
If it's a 027 body code, 2,904 came with the column-shift V6 configuration. Another 216 had the floor-shifted 3-speed. This is from info I got at the GM Heritage Center for 1964s.
I may ad that although my 64 F-85 is not a 442, it was built about as basic as a "granny" car could be. Base F-85 Club Coupe, she did spring for a 330 low compression, 2-speed jet-away, am radio and a heater and that's it. Nothing else no rear arm rests, vinyl floor, no seat belts, exterior chrome! I believe theses cars weigh only about 3,180 lbs.?
This car was a column shift and the original owner saw the car at a dealership in Flushing Queens, NY and purchased it on October 19,1963. The data plate shows model 3027 with a build date of 11A, Paint L-L, interior 915. Price was $2300, sales tax $92.00. Options included Deluxe Radio, Rear Window Defogger, Outside Rear View Mirror, Padded Instrument Panel, Undercoating, White Wall Tires, and Glaze.
The car was parked in a garage within walking distance of my house, I never saw it. A friend of mine sent me a message to tell me he saw it on Facebook for sale. It was parked in the original owners garage in 1980 and outside in the driveway under cover was a 47 Jeepster and a 1930's Lafayette. The F-85 was this man's first car and his first love. He kept it in the garage until his passing in 2017 when I purchased it. He kept the other more expensive cars outside. That impressed me.
Unfortunately I could not keep it so my close friend and then president of our LI Olds Club convinced me that he needed the car. Since then he's done some rust repair, started the engine, new clutch, new gas tank, new tires on SS1's and purchased a stock set of seat covers for a 65 Chevy 300 that cost 1/3 of what the Club Coupe interior seats would cost. Most people would not know the difference except for the Olds guys. He may sell his 65 442 convertible and then clone the 64 with a 330. The car came some extra body parts, V 6 motor, extra trans, a fender and yes two NOS bumpers which I kept. And recently I found a 64 442 which is a project, so now I have a place for the NOS bumpers. I'll take some pictures of the car and post them soon.
It's also interesting that this car was built the third week in April and was in the customer's possession April 30. There were five weeks in April, and that means that this car was on a transport, transported, of the transport, dealer prepped and in the hands of the customer around one week from the day it was manufactured.
I don't think that's what's going on.
Take a look at this Marti Report, and glance at the column with the dates.
Considering Fisher made the body for the Olds, I believe there's more to the story than what we're seeing. Maybe Joe can explain better than I can?
1964 sports coupe (style 3127 and 3227) and F85 club coupe interior options
After more research I wanted to conclude my findings for interior seat material. Info based on 1964 Olds color and fabric selector book; also on the Cutlass book of information dating 1961-1969
The following trim codes have FULL morocceen vinyl seat coverings: 945 (red), 947 (white).
The following trim codes have morocceen vinyl sides and inner section of seats are patterned cloth: 940 (black), 942 (jade), 943 (blue), 948 (saddle)
Body style 3027 (F85 Club coupe) had trim 901 (silver vinyl with patterned cloth), 903 (Blue vinyl with patterned cloth), 906 (aqua vinyl with patterned cloth), and 915 (maroon vinyl)
The inner portion of the seat bottom and back for all style 3127 and 3227 have a button as seen in the photo above of the yellow car with white interior (trim 947). Style 3027 seats do not have these buttons, from what I could see in photos.
After more research I wanted to conclude my findings for interior seat material. Info based on 1964 Olds color and fabric selector book; also on the Cutlass book of information dating 1961-1969
The following trim codes have FULL morocceen vinyl seat coverings: 945 (red), 947 (white).
The following trim codes have morocceen vinyl sides and inner section of seats are patterned cloth: 940 (black), 942 (jade), 943 (blue), 948 (saddle)
Body style 3027 (F85 Club coupe) had trim 901 (silver vinyl with patterned cloth), 903 (Blue vinyl with patterned cloth), 906 (aqua vinyl with patterned cloth), and 915 (maroon vinyl)
The inner portion of the seat bottom and back for all style 3127 and 3227 have a button as seen in the photo above of the yellow car with white interior (trim 947). Style 3027 seats do not have these buttons, from what I could see in photos.
