Potential rotors for 65'-70' 88/98 disc brakes
#1
Potential rotors for 65'-70' 88/98 disc brakes
I have found rotors that I believe will work for '65-'70 (or at least '69-'70) disc brakes for use on '65-'70. The critical dimensions are almost identical to the '69-'70 rotors (within 1/16" in a few places). I was going to mock this up, but never got around to doing it prior to selling my '68 Delta Custom.
The replacement rotors will require precise machining of the hub hole to the larger olds size, and adding the 5 on 5 lug pattern between the existing lug holes (the replacement rotor lug pattern is 4.75 on 5).
The replacement rotor is for a 2000 Camaro. The Napa part number that I have is 4886641. If this works, there are performance versions of this rotor widely available.
If anyone gives this a try, please follow up here as to how it worked out.
The replacement rotors will require precise machining of the hub hole to the larger olds size, and adding the 5 on 5 lug pattern between the existing lug holes (the replacement rotor lug pattern is 4.75 on 5).
The replacement rotor is for a 2000 Camaro. The Napa part number that I have is 4886641. If this works, there are performance versions of this rotor widely available.
If anyone gives this a try, please follow up here as to how it worked out.
#2
I have found rotors that I believe will work for '65-'70 (or at least '69-'70) disc brakes for use on '65-'70. The critical dimensions are almost identical to the '69-'70 rotors (within 1/16" in a few places). I was going to mock this up, but never got around to doing it prior to selling my '68 Delta Custom.
The replacement rotors will require precise machining of the hub hole to the larger olds size, and adding the 5 on 5 lug pattern between the existing lug holes (the replacement rotor lug pattern is 4.75 on 5).
The replacement rotor is for a 2000 Camaro. The Napa part number that I have is 4886641. If this works, there are performance versions of this rotor widely available.
If anyone gives this a try, please follow up here as to how it worked out.
The replacement rotors will require precise machining of the hub hole to the larger olds size, and adding the 5 on 5 lug pattern between the existing lug holes (the replacement rotor lug pattern is 4.75 on 5).
The replacement rotor is for a 2000 Camaro. The Napa part number that I have is 4886641. If this works, there are performance versions of this rotor widely available.
If anyone gives this a try, please follow up here as to how it worked out.
#4
I'm certain these rotors will work, as long as the machining of the hub hole and new 5x5 lug pattern is done precisely. Any decent machine shop should be able to accomplish that part.
#10
The Factory Correct 1969 - 1970 OLDS ROTORS
And, of course, if any of you with this car don't wnat to monkey around and risk having a wheel fall off -- I have 4 last N.O.S. Kelsey-Hayes 1969 - '70 OLDS Full Size ROTORS --- have sold 16 of my 20 in the last 2 years now...
No little babies please even bother to ask about them .... you know what you are........
No little babies please even bother to ask about them .... you know what you are........
#11
Just 1 on eBay:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NOS-1967-196...3e9d6d&vxp=mtr
However I'm unable to confirm that part number. Parts book shows #396454 as 67-68 full size rotor & hub.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NOS-1967-196...3e9d6d&vxp=mtr
However I'm unable to confirm that part number. Parts book shows #396454 as 67-68 full size rotor & hub.
Last edited by copper128; September 18th, 2013 at 04:00 PM.
#14
1967-1968 & 1969-1970 olds full size rotors
I have 2 last N.O.S. ++ DELCO ++ Front HUB & ROTORS Assemblies for the 1967 - 1968 OLDS FULL SIZE application....
and 4 last N.O.S. Front ROTORS for the 1969 - 1970 OLDS FULL SIZE applications...........
Best to call me -- Craig -- 516 - 485 - 1935..... New York.
Will deliver by UPS to 49 states (not Kentucky)...
and 4 last N.O.S. Front ROTORS for the 1969 - 1970 OLDS FULL SIZE applications...........
Best to call me -- Craig -- 516 - 485 - 1935..... New York.
Will deliver by UPS to 49 states (not Kentucky)...
#15
I have 2 last N.O.S. ++ DELCO ++ Front HUB & ROTORS Assemblies for the 1967 - 1968 OLDS FULL SIZE application....
and 4 last N.O.S. Front ROTORS for the 1969 - 1970 OLDS FULL SIZE applications...........
Best to call me -- Craig -- 516 - 485 - 1935..... New York.
Will deliver by UPS to 49 states (not Kentucky)...
and 4 last N.O.S. Front ROTORS for the 1969 - 1970 OLDS FULL SIZE applications...........
Best to call me -- Craig -- 516 - 485 - 1935..... New York.
Will deliver by UPS to 49 states (not Kentucky)...
#16
Has someone ran with the idea? These look very similar. May be a different brand of aftermarket rotor for the same application with the prescribed machine work.
Good job to whoever did it.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/69-70-Oldsmo...fd74e3&vxp=mtr
Good job to whoever did it.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/69-70-Oldsmo...fd74e3&vxp=mtr
#18
68D88, I looked at this NAPA part. Please clarify in your post, we are to buy these rotors and then have a machine shop the hub diameter is drilled to spec and also ensure the 5 lug - holes are drilled? Aren't the lug holes already drilled when you get it?
As far as the hub hole, I think it just needed to be enlarged if I am reading correctly. When I read your post, it sound like these rotors come with no lug holes. My apologies that I not getting exactly how this part needs to be modified
Thank you for posting this find.
As far as the hub hole, I think it just needed to be enlarged if I am reading correctly. When I read your post, it sound like these rotors come with no lug holes. My apologies that I not getting exactly how this part needs to be modified
Thank you for posting this find.
Last edited by matchek; March 12th, 2015 at 10:49 AM. Reason: read again
#19
I think I get. The rotor on NAPA has 5 holes, but it won't fit the 68 Olds.
The one on eBay will fit the 68 Olds. (I think)
Has anyone tried to fit the ebay item her on a 68 Olds - full size to see if it worked with no modification?
The one on eBay will fit the 68 Olds. (I think)
Has anyone tried to fit the ebay item her on a 68 Olds - full size to see if it worked with no modification?
#20
The ebay rotors are apparently from some other, currently available, application that the seller claims to have machined to be compatible with the 69-70 full size cars. This shouldn't be difficult to do, so these may be a very nice solution.
The one possible issue for using these on the 1967-68 cars is the fact that 69-70 cars use sliding calipers that can accommodate variations in the "offset" of the rotor friction face from the mounting surface. If these adapted rotors have a slightly different offset from the originals, there's probably enough sliding accommodation in the caliper mounts to accept it.
The 67-68 cars came from the factory with the fixed four-piston calipers. Any rotors used for those applications MUST match the dimensions of the original rotors EXACTLY, otherwise you'll have problems with getting the calipers to fit and work properly. Of course, if one is converting a 67-68 car to use the 69-up sliding calipers, this would not be an issue. This conversion does require changing the caliper mounting bracket, however.
The one possible issue for using these on the 1967-68 cars is the fact that 69-70 cars use sliding calipers that can accommodate variations in the "offset" of the rotor friction face from the mounting surface. If these adapted rotors have a slightly different offset from the originals, there's probably enough sliding accommodation in the caliper mounts to accept it.
The 67-68 cars came from the factory with the fixed four-piston calipers. Any rotors used for those applications MUST match the dimensions of the original rotors EXACTLY, otherwise you'll have problems with getting the calipers to fit and work properly. Of course, if one is converting a 67-68 car to use the 69-up sliding calipers, this would not be an issue. This conversion does require changing the caliper mounting bracket, however.
#21
Thank you very much Joe. So for clarification, the 69 rotor is not identical to the 68 rotor dimensions? Or we don't know for sure?
And if the "offset " is off? What did you mean by that? I am thinking diameter, thickness, etc.
I am aware of the difference of calipers so it would make sense if the rotors were different. I would not doubt that the ebay ones would not be a perfect fit for the 68.
And if the "offset " is off? What did you mean by that? I am thinking diameter, thickness, etc.
I am aware of the difference of calipers so it would make sense if the rotors were different. I would not doubt that the ebay ones would not be a perfect fit for the 68.
#22
And if the "offset " is off? What did you mean by that? I am thinking diameter, thickness, etc.
#23
Thank you very much Joe for the offset explanation.
Please take a look at this:
http://www.lategreatchevy.com/full-s...1967-1968.html
This is for a 4-piston caliper Chevy. Any chance this would work for 68 Olds 88? I know it was said before it would not, but this looks like a new part. Works for Chevy full size 4 piston caliper.
Please take a look at this:
http://www.lategreatchevy.com/full-s...1967-1968.html
This is for a 4-piston caliper Chevy. Any chance this would work for 68 Olds 88? I know it was said before it would not, but this looks like a new part. Works for Chevy full size 4 piston caliper.
#24
Good discussion on this. My proposed solution was to use 69-70 disk brake assemblies, and substitute the 2000 Camaro rotor with some machining. I am confident it will work with the sliding calipers.
BTW, if anyone is interested:
https://classicoldsmobile.com/forums...sc-brakes.html
BTW, if anyone is interested:
https://classicoldsmobile.com/forums...sc-brakes.html
#25
Thank you very much Joe for the offset explanation.
Please take a look at this:
http://www.lategreatchevy.com/full-s...1967-1968.html
This is for a 4-piston caliper Chevy. Any chance this would work for 68 Olds 88? I know it was said before it would not, but this looks like a new part. Works for Chevy full size 4 piston caliper.
Please take a look at this:
http://www.lategreatchevy.com/full-s...1967-1968.html
This is for a 4-piston caliper Chevy. Any chance this would work for 68 Olds 88? I know it was said before it would not, but this looks like a new part. Works for Chevy full size 4 piston caliper.
This is why it was said before that they won't work, and they STILL don't. Once again, NO ONE makes repro or replacement rotors for the 1967-70 B-body cars. The ebay adapted rotors are interesting but are not 100% factory replacements. They are the best available today.
#27
#28
Thank you for the 2000 Camaro rotor option! Always nice to know there are options.
I am following up on my Caddy Fleetwood rotor option. Attached are some specs for rotors for the 1968 Fleetwood rotors (that can be purchased from RA for $125) and what is in the service manual for the 1968 Delmont 88 rotor size.
From what I see, the camparable size looks so close. Outside diameter difference is less than 1/16"! Thickness is square on!
But if I don't if other dimensions match, like the hub.
I am following up on my Caddy Fleetwood rotor option. Attached are some specs for rotors for the 1968 Fleetwood rotors (that can be purchased from RA for $125) and what is in the service manual for the 1968 Delmont 88 rotor size.
From what I see, the camparable size looks so close. Outside diameter difference is less than 1/16"! Thickness is square on!
But if I don't if other dimensions match, like the hub.
#29
Yes the Camaro rotors work just fine (NAPA p/n 4886641). Just got done installing them on my 65 Jetstar I project. The brakes assemblies are off a 70' 98. The hub hole needs to be machined larger and re drilled for the 5 on 5 bolt pattern. The machining cost me $150 where I got it done.
#34
Hey, thank you for coming up with the idea. I do have a thread with my progress on the Jetstar so far. It's in the in the repair & restoration section.
#35
Thanks You Guys!
Yes the Camaro rotors work just fine (NAPA p/n 4886641). Just got done installing them on my 65 Jetstar I project. The brakes assemblies are off a 70' 98. The hub hole needs to be machined larger and re drilled for the 5 on 5 bolt pattern. The machining cost me $150 where I got it done.
#36
Thank you for the 2000 Camaro rotor option! Always nice to know there are options.
I am following up on my Caddy Fleetwood rotor option. Attached are some specs for rotors for the 1968 Fleetwood rotors (that can be purchased from RA for $125) and what is in the service manual for the 1968 Delmont 88 rotor size.
From what I see, the camparable size looks so close. Outside diameter difference is less than 1/16"! Thickness is square on!
But if I don't if other dimensions match, like the hub.
I am following up on my Caddy Fleetwood rotor option. Attached are some specs for rotors for the 1968 Fleetwood rotors (that can be purchased from RA for $125) and what is in the service manual for the 1968 Delmont 88 rotor size.
From what I see, the camparable size looks so close. Outside diameter difference is less than 1/16"! Thickness is square on!
But if I don't if other dimensions match, like the hub.
NAPA still sells them under part number NB 4885515, showing at $104 each.
http://www.napaonline.com/Catalog/Ca...515_0380335333
Last edited by copper128; September 24th, 2015 at 09:42 AM. Reason: add link
#37
Here's the Centric drawing and part number for the Fleetwood rotor. Nice find. The big issue will be offset, but I would be amazed if the front spindle on the Caddy were different than those on the Olds.
#38
Or --- just grab my LAST two (2) 1969 - 1970 Original Kelsey-Hayes ROTORS.....
And, I still have the two (2) 1967 - 1968 OLDS FULL SIZE HUB & ROTORS in the
original Baby Blue KELSEY - HAYES boxes !!!!!!!!!
No "Monkeying" around required........... (AMERICAN STEEL, also........)
And, I still have the two (2) 1967 - 1968 OLDS FULL SIZE HUB & ROTORS in the
original Baby Blue KELSEY - HAYES boxes !!!!!!!!!
No "Monkeying" around required........... (AMERICAN STEEL, also........)
#39
#40
Well, the second guy can be the first guy -- because I still have two (2) and the
"first" guy who PM'ed me never called....
SO... there can still be one (1) lucky winner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"first" guy who PM'ed me never called....
SO... there can still be one (1) lucky winner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!