Hey guys, in looking at the Wild About Cars reference materials tonight, I got an idea: I went to the SPECS (salesman's pricing folders) and nosed around until I came up with what would be my dream Olds if I could hop into the "wayback machine" and land in my Olds dealer in 1965 to order up a shiny new big one.

Take a look at my "dream car" and see what you think.
I'd be interested to see what others would come up with, too.

5437 Jetstar I sport coupe..........$3602.00
A01 Soft-Ray tinted windows..........43.00
C48 Heater delete........................-97.00
F35 Heavy Duty frame...................18.40
G80 Anti-Spin axle.........................47.61
M20 Trans, 4sp floor shift..............231.34
P23 8.45x15 b/w tires & 15" wheels.....N/C
P09 15" Chrome wheel trim rings.......11.30
Y70 Heavy Duty Cooling pkg.............33.36

Total MSRP................................$4047.21

How badass would that be???? A no frills JS-I sleeper with every perf. option available.

 

BTW, this car would have the 370hp Starfire 425, dual exhaust and 3.23 axle standard.

 

Very cool cars. Were there any differences in body style between the Jetstar 1 and the Jetstar 88 coupe? If those were available with the 425, I'd probably go that route because they had fewer options and weighed less. I do like power steering and brakes, but I could live without the buckets and console. Heater, I don't know, it's been getting pretty cold here in the fall, I think I'd like one of those too.

 

I had one in the late '60's, loaded, everything worked, but with the 4:33 tow package!
Dk. blue - 3-tone blue interior. Beautiful car that'd almost pull the l/f wheel when you got into the switch pitch!
Terrible gas mileage, even though it was under a buck!

 

Not sure I am familar with those wheels, but wonder if they'd be no charge, since 14 inch wheels were standard on the J1.

What wouldja want THOSE for? They'd only add weight...

 

Well, if you wanted it in red, then it would be Kurt Schubert's car.....although I'm pretty sure he has heat!

 

No charge for the 15" wheels & tires because they replaced the standard 14" whitewalls and deluxe full wheel covers. The 15's wore black sidewalls and dog dish center caps ...like your car

The trim rings and tinted glass were the only concessions to looks and comfort, but I'd certainly take the car without them

 

Hmmm. Factory sales literature says 3.42 was lowest gear available on SF and JS-I, and then only with TH400 trans. Manual trans cars got 3.23 only.

Thats from the factory. Anything could have been done later.

 

No 425 in the J88, only the 330. But 4 on the floor was available.

 

I know you'll be surprised to see me chime in, but here I am!
Even your low optioned version comes up only about $100.00 short of the base price of a Starfire which includes ps, pb, and the automatic (or a n/c 4-spd) as standard equipment. My "moderately" equipped JS1 topped $4400.00. So it is pretty easy to see why sales were a meager 6552 units for the model.
Okay, on to your options. You need to add the G51 HD rear springs @ $3.77, so that won't break the bank. They are required with the F35 Frame when you get the P28 (I think you mean) 15" wheels. These were considered to be a trailer towing package.
Without hesitation, I would add power steering. I have driven various years of 442s with 4-speeds and manual steering, and I can tell you that *almost* takes all the fun out of it. It's a matter of feel, and with the manual steering there is too much gymnastics, and not enough control.


Okay, but the "tow package" gear, was 3.42. The 4.33 was not available. Even from an Olds dealer over the counter. 3.42 was the numerically highest. You *could* get a 4.33 (and 3.55, 3.73, 3.90, and 4.11) for that rear from a Pontiac dealer.

The SPECS booklet leads one to believe that, but they forgot the 4-spd when they put that together, and even missed it on all of the SPECS revisions. The "with syncromesh" there was referring to the 3-on-the-tree standard trans. Which was the standard trans for the JS1. Imagine driving a JS1 with the 3-on-the-tree and manual steering........
Other sources including the Assembly Manual and order forms confirm the 3.42 was available with the 4-spd and logically so.

 

Kurt, some of the print on those scans is a little difficult to read, even when enlarged. Thanks for the clarifications.

I was thinking about straight line performance more than road manners, hence the lack of power steering. Some might think me crazy, but I removed the PS from my 67 442 last year and the power booster from the brakes a few years earlier when I installed the disc brakes.

 

That is a little extreme, although I can relate to the desire to simplify the car. Were disc brakes ever available as manual from the factory? I had never looked into it, but it seems they would be even more difficult to use than manual drums.

 

My manual discs work fine, but obviously do require more pedal pressure than vacuum power-boosted brakes.

I know disc brakes came in power-assisted flavor only for 67-68 Olds big cars, not sure on others.

 

Since you started this Glenn, I will continue....Kurt, please clarify if I made any mistakes, or if what I did wouldn't be possible!

'67 Delta 88 Custom ( I love the rear end treatment, thus not a Delmont)

Model # 5487 MSRP- $3522.00

-A01 Sft Ray Tinted 42.10
-A39 Deluxe Belts 6.32
-A81 Seat Head Restraints 52.66
-A85 Seat Shoulder Belts 26.33
-B32 Front Floor Mats 6.77
-B33 Rear Floor Mats 6.57
-C08 Vinyl Roof 110.59
-C48 Heater Defrost Delete -94.90
-F35 Heavy Duty Frame 18.01
-G51 Heavy Duty R. Springs 3.69
-G80 Anti Spin Rear 46.40
-N40 Power Steering 105.32
-U58 AM/FM Stereo 238.03
-V01 Heavy Duty Radiator 21.06
-And of course.......
-L75 375 HP Starfire V8(4bbl, Dual exhst) 100.05

So the grand total would be, with out tax, dest, etc........$4211.00

Kurt, the one thing missing, as I wasn't sure I could get it would be M21 trans! I would have to make a deal for the 15" rims, or I walk out and go buy a Fiat or Opel!

Color would be....code L Tahoe Turquois, Black Vinyl Roof and Turquois Interior!

 

I like the '67 Delta Customs. The are uniquely cool.
Well, I wouldn't call it wrong, but you ordered it with a 3-on-the-tree. I'd go with the M41.
'66 was the last year for a 4-spd in a B-body. And they were all M20s. no M21s for the B-bodies.

 

No, I wouldn't want three on the tree...that would look a little strange with buckets and console! I guess, M20 in the console. I was using the wild about cars website for info. The option sheet can get a little confusing! If I can't get a console with a stick, and have to go for the M41, then my whole order would need to change. A/C, disc brakes with the 15" wheels and heat obviously, would now come into the discussion......I may have to start this all over......

 

I thought M41 was a required option with the Starfire (375hp) engine.

 

Okay, I went a little brain dead there not checking that out, but once I did, it gets more confusing! The '67 SPECS book shows in "both" sections that the
Starfire engine *could* be had with the 3-on-the-tree. It would be the M14, which *could* handle the power, so that is possible. I can't say I'm 100% sure that is correct, though, as the SPECS books are not *always* 100%, especially in the very obscure areas. Case in point, in one section of the '66 SPECS, it says the auto is mandatory with the Starfire engine (L75), in the other section is indicated that it is not.
But more of a twist is that in both sections of the '67 SPECS book, the L74 requires the auto. So go figure.
I know in '65, the Starfire engine *was* available with the 3-on-the-tree.
Will need to dig deeper on this one, the '66 B-body assembly manual should shed some light, the '67 version is not to be had.
Back to Eric's car, when an auto is specified, it could be either the M40 or M41, which interestingly includes cruise. So you will need to add that to your list.

 

I know in '69 & '70 the 3-speed manual was only available with the base 2-bbl. big block (or 350 depending on the model), but as you say Kurt, it seems a bit fuzzy prior to that.

I do recall seeing a '68 Delmont 455 with a 3-on-the-tree on eBay a few years ago, but don't know what flavor of 455 it was.

 

This has been on here for awhile. It appears to be a no option convertible which strikes me as unusual. It even has manual brakes.

http://www.carsonline-ads.com/colsit...ostingID=53262

 

OK. After going back through the spec booklet, it does seem possible to get the M14 on the tree with the Starfire V8. Although I wouldn't want that, how would they do buckets and console with 3 o the tree? What would be where the shifter would be in the console? Im guessing, you couldn't order that way. Would default to strato bench.....by the way, I might be interested in ordering the garnet interior and exterior. The one in the booklet is dressed that way! Look absolutely incredible. Hey Glenn, yours is that combo, isn't it?

 

If you mean this Glenn, actually mine is Spanish Red with just plain ol' Red interior. Delmonts had different interior color options from the pricier models.
My car does have both the Y67 deluxe interior trim and Y71 custom interior options which essentially equal a Delta 88 interior in a Delmont.