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Old Jun 16, 2009 | 12:14 PM
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disc brakes update

I just got off the phone with master power brakes. they are in mooresville north carolina. Steve, tech guy extension 209, said if the had a spindle that they could look into making some rotors or they could manufacture a custom kit which starts out a 1295.00!!! new it would be expensive .
is anyone close to them that could take some time to talk with them in person with spindle in hand
Old Jun 16, 2009 | 02:06 PM
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$1,295.00!

That seems a bit steep.
Old Jun 16, 2009 | 05:18 PM
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Russell.

I'm missing something here. What year and model of Oldsmobile are we talking about. That seems like a very high price
Old Jun 18, 2009 | 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Aceshigh
Price is very high without knowing EXACT specifics

Check out CPP brakes.
They have an A, F, X body 13" front and 12" rear kit at CPP for $1500.
http://www.classicperform.com/NewPro...igBrakeKit.htm

I found them by searching and coming across this PHR article on a Chevelle brake upgrade.
http://www.popularhotrodding.com/tec...kes/index.html

I've been doing all kinds of research on brake upgrades myself.
They utilize 1999-2004 GM 1/2 ton pickup truck calipers with dual 52mm pistons
which is MUCH bigger then the C5 brakes , and that's why they claim it's
60% more stopping power then C5 kits. (C5 = Corvette)
This is what I'm currently looking at putting on my 1970.
I just ordered a staggered set of 17" and 18" Foose Legend rims in grey to accomodate the upgrade.

FYI - Most 11" "Kits" on Ebay are stock 2nd gen Camaro front brakes and 2nd gen Trans Am rear brakes.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/GM-4-...Q5fAccessories


From the PHR article....
Here's another article on a Chevy Nova using CPP's big brake upgrade.
http://superchevy.automotive.com/761...ion/index.html
And the car in question is NOT an A, F, or X body, so none of this info applies.
Old Jun 18, 2009 | 10:27 AM
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1970 olds delta 88

Sorry guys i thought that since i posted in the 88 forum and i have other threads about this that it was known again i apoligize

i wish it was that easy that i could put all of that in my car but like Joe said none of this will work


Joe
have you ever talked with these guys, they said to bring it out and they could make a kit for it but that kinda scares me because they have never seen this set up on the 88 before

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Old Jun 18, 2009 | 10:59 AM
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Ok which 88's are we talking about? The B-Bodies? What size brakes? Are we talking about just the fronts? Or all 4 corners?
Old Jun 18, 2009 | 11:02 AM
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Out of curiosity...have you looked into pulling the front end off a mid '70's b body wagon? I would think, assuming parts interchangeability, that would be your best budget minded bang for the buck . I have not attempted this so have no first hand knowledge, but would think the frames are common up to 76, or at least the suspension components should interchange.
Old Jun 18, 2009 | 11:15 AM
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Scarebird make a kit maybe?
Old Jun 18, 2009 | 11:31 AM
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Joe
have you ever talked with these guys, they said to bring it out and they could make a kit for it but that kinda scares me because they have never seen this set up on the 88 before
I have not, but I question if you need to. The 65-70 cars used a bolt-on caliper bracket, similar to the one on the A-body cars. In fact, the B-body spindle is similar to (but not interchangeable with) the A-body spindle. This means that with some minor machining, you should be able to adapt the caliper brackets from an A-body to your spindles. You will need to machine the upper boss, similar to the way these F-body spindles have been machined:

http://www.pozziracing.com/brakes.ht..._brake_spindle

Note that the B-body spindle may require a different amount of machining than the Camaro spindles in that link, but the concept is the same.

The brake rotors from a 1976 Olds Delta 88 (NAPA P/N NB 488553 or Raybestos P/N 5006) use the same inner and outer wheel bearings as your D88 and should bolt right up to your spindles. They also have the same 5 x 5" bolt circle as your current drums. Use the calipers and pads from that 1976 D88 also. The caliper brackets for an A-body are available from many sources on-line. Speedway motors is but one. You will likely need to weld some extensions on the caliper brackets due to the 12" rotors. Here's one way to do it:



Use the caliper hoses for the 76 D88. Use the master cylinder from a 70 D88 with discs. Use an inline proportioning valve like the ones for the 67-70 A-body cars.

Total investment, less than $300. Satisfaction in a job well done, priceless.
Old Jun 18, 2009 | 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by joe_padavano
And the car in question is NOT an A, F, or X body, so none of this info applies.
My confusion, I posted in the wrong forum after using the search function.

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Old Jun 18, 2009 | 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by csstrux
Out of curiosity...have you looked into pulling the front end off a mid '70's b body wagon? I would think, assuming parts interchangeability, that would be your best budget minded bang for the buck . I have not attempted this so have no first hand knowledge, but would think the frames are common up to 76, or at least the suspension components should interchange.
Nope. The 65-70 full size cars use completely different frames and suspension from the 71-76 cars. The early cars are rear steer, the 71-up cars are front steer. Spindles are completely different, suspension arms are completely different, even the ball joint tapers are completely different.
Old Jun 18, 2009 | 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by The Stickman
Ok which 88's are we talking about? The B-Bodies? What size brakes? Are we talking about just the fronts? Or all 4 corners?
Note that his screen name is "russell7088". Since we are in the Eighty Eight subforum, one would assume (yes, I know...) that the car is a 1970 D88.
Old Jun 18, 2009 | 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by joe_padavano
Note that his screen name is "russell7088". Since we are in the Eighty Eight subforum, one would assume (yes, I know...) that the car is a 1970 D88.

Ya didn't even notice that. BTW what days will you be at Carlisle? Seriously need to get the car finished and running.
Old Jun 18, 2009 | 01:51 PM
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I thought the car in question was a 70 Delta 88 but wanted to make sure.
Old Jun 18, 2009 | 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by joe_padavano
Nope. The 65-70 full size cars use completely different frames and suspension from the 71-76 cars. The early cars are rear steer, the 71-up cars are front steer. Spindles are completely different, suspension arms are completely different, even the ball joint tapers are completely different.
Figures there wouldn't be an easy answer. I had a 71 Buick electra but never really got under it to notice, didn't have it long enough. I guess I should have figured...now that I stepped in it.
Old Jun 22, 2009 | 09:47 PM
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Now with a pic

joe i need to meet you is there any way you have the ability and tools to do the setup? I would gladly bring her to you to do that I just moved to ky and dont really know any welders i would trust except a fellow olds man


I am going to start a new thread tonight with some new pic that we just took

thank you Joe appreciate the answers

sneek peek

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