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January 25th, 2014 | 01:00 PM
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=== Here's the original text, I am tired of typing in the intro. It's for amusement ===
The year is 2028.
Internal combustion engines of any sort have been outlawed by the Central Scrutinizers of the World Government. Despite the dangers to themselves, the population in general, and the planet, a few outlaws still manage to find or make the necessary fuels and machines and disregard the law of the land. Of course these illicit machines must be maintained and repaired, and the violators are always looking for ways to make more powerful versions, and places to “test operate” their criminal contraptions. Such fabrication and repair activities involve the use of extremely dangerous materials, posing a threat to all those involved… and their neighbors.
Crime Stoppers
Is there an auto repair facility in your neighborhood?
November 21st, 2028 by Cpl Eduardo Pecoso
With illicit use and repairs of automobiles on the rise in the area, after a long time of plaguing Indiana and the nation, the dangers surrounding gasoline engine use need to be recognized and addressed. This is the first in a series of educational presentations we will share with you about engine use. Many people may be living next door to an exceedingly dangerous automobile facility and not even know it!
AUTOMOBILE REPAIR SHOP
With the newest methods of fuel & engine production scaling back from larger operations like the ones pictured here, into smaller 'personal use' quantity type of shop operations, detection of these prohibited shops is made even more difficult. The newest fabrication methods, often referred to as "one bay" methods, can be produced in facilities as small as a one car garage, and can even be easily transported, for the purposes of evading law enforcement, in shipping containers or semi truck trailers. As such, an engine shop discovery often leaves many neighbors and local residents commenting they had no idea that this incredibly hazardous activity was so very close to their precious homes and children. This is typical of many engine facility discoveries.
The reason for this is simple. Internal combustion engines are relatively easy to produce and repair with minimal investment in materials and tools, which are also a crime to possess. Major scale manufacturing operations are now rare in the area. You may be surprised to learn that most engine fabrication and repair facilities are now, in fact, on a very small scale.
Some of the main reasons for this are due to strict Indiana laws on tool sales and tracking, the relative ease of manufacture, and the highly addictive nature of this activity. Its high street price entices many users to attempt to make their own repairs for personal use, and on a smaller, secondary level, provide support to other criminal engine users.
As a result, automobile repair facilities now turn up in houses, barns, apartments, trailers, campers, cabins, backyard sheds and motel rooms – even the backs of pickup trucks. The equipment for an automobile repair facility can be as small as to fit in a duffel bag, a cardboard box or the trunk of a car. Building or repairing in small facilities, such as backyard sheds, is on the rise as the preferred method of construction or renovation, thanks in part to restrictive sales of tools, parts, oils, gasoline and similar petroleum products.
AUTOMOBILE FABRICATION / REPAIR SHOP
Many people may be living next door to an automobile repair facility and not know it. Some of the signs that there is an engine repair facility in operation are obvious and easy to spot, other signs are not so conspicuous.
In fact, you may have observed such indicators and not realized it. IC engines are, in fact, very simple to produce or repair, with simple tools and small machines. A user can go to retail stores and easily purchase the vast majority of the components necessary to manufacture or repair these illicit machines. Items such as steel tubing, batteries, red paint, pool acid, and aluminum can be utilized to fabricate some of the necessary components.
Precursor fuel components such as benzene can be extracted from common, over-the-counter cleaning chemicals or solvents. A clandestine shop operator can utilize relatively common items such as mason jars, coffee cups, hot plates, pressure cookers, pillowcases, plastic tubing, gas cans, etc., to substitute for sophisticated repair equipment.
Unlike electric motors, spring powered vehicles, or other types of dangerous machinery, it does not take a college-educated machinist to produce an engine. In fact, less than 10 percent of those suspects arrested for the manufacture of engines or fuels are trained machinists or chemists, which may be one reason we see so many fires, explosions, and injuries involving clandestine shops.
Here are some of the things to watch for:
Unusual strong odors (like urine, ether, diesel fuel, acetone or other chemicals).
Sheds or garages with windows blacked out.
Renters who pay their landlords in cash- most auto parts dealers conduct business exclusively in cash, as it is harder to trace, and the RFI chips in the currency can be defeated by simply enclosing the bills in metal foil.
Large amounts of traffic - people coming and going at unusual hours. There may be little traffic during the day and large amounts at night.
Often times, there will be a crowd gathered to participate and observe, and loud and boisterous activity might ensue as the “happiness” of the criminal attendees reaches a fervor pitch. Cheering, hooting, and hollering are frequently observed, often accompanied by hand waving. Sometimes there is even music and dancing, often involving underage children. Raucous laughter can often be heard as tales of past exploits and incidents of escaping capture by the authorities are shared.
Sounds and smells of internal combustion engines- the poisonous exhaust fumes have a di-“stink”-tive aroma.
Excessive trash, including large quantities of: antifreeze containers, fuel cans, red stained coffee filters, carb cleaner cans, and duct tape.
Unusual amounts of clear glass containers being brought into the home.
Windows blacked out or covered by aluminum foil, plywood, sheets, blankets, etc.
Secretive / protective area surrounding the residence (like video cameras, alarm systems, guard dogs, reinforced doors, electrified fencing).
Overhead doors on the structure, larger than needed for persons to pass through.
Persons exiting the structure to smoke, drink, eat, etc.
Frequent trips to the scrap metal dealer to buy and sell in secret
Persons seen in the area with soiled, grease-stained hands.
Washroom facilities, often having a toilet as well, used for disposing of the toxic waste.
Little traffic during the day, but high traffic at late hours; including vehicles arriving and staying for abnormally short or long periods of time.
Little or no mail, furniture, visible trash and no newspaper delivery.
Machinery or parts of old machines lying about the property
Unusual quantities of clear glass containers being brought into the home.
Unusual repetition of the same statements, for no apparent reason.
Obviously the presence of any ONE of these items is not a definitive indicator of the presence of an automobile repair facility. However, combinations of these indicators or large quantities of these items may be a sign of a prohibited facility.
[cont'd]
The year is 2028.
Internal combustion engines of any sort have been outlawed by the Central Scrutinizers of the World Government. Despite the dangers to themselves, the population in general, and the planet, a few outlaws still manage to find or make the necessary fuels and machines and disregard the law of the land. Of course these illicit machines must be maintained and repaired, and the violators are always looking for ways to make more powerful versions, and places to “test operate” their criminal contraptions. Such fabrication and repair activities involve the use of extremely dangerous materials, posing a threat to all those involved… and their neighbors.
Crime Stoppers
Is there an auto repair facility in your neighborhood?
November 21st, 2028 by Cpl Eduardo Pecoso
With illicit use and repairs of automobiles on the rise in the area, after a long time of plaguing Indiana and the nation, the dangers surrounding gasoline engine use need to be recognized and addressed. This is the first in a series of educational presentations we will share with you about engine use. Many people may be living next door to an exceedingly dangerous automobile facility and not even know it!
AUTOMOBILE REPAIR SHOP
With the newest methods of fuel & engine production scaling back from larger operations like the ones pictured here, into smaller 'personal use' quantity type of shop operations, detection of these prohibited shops is made even more difficult. The newest fabrication methods, often referred to as "one bay" methods, can be produced in facilities as small as a one car garage, and can even be easily transported, for the purposes of evading law enforcement, in shipping containers or semi truck trailers. As such, an engine shop discovery often leaves many neighbors and local residents commenting they had no idea that this incredibly hazardous activity was so very close to their precious homes and children. This is typical of many engine facility discoveries.
The reason for this is simple. Internal combustion engines are relatively easy to produce and repair with minimal investment in materials and tools, which are also a crime to possess. Major scale manufacturing operations are now rare in the area. You may be surprised to learn that most engine fabrication and repair facilities are now, in fact, on a very small scale.
Some of the main reasons for this are due to strict Indiana laws on tool sales and tracking, the relative ease of manufacture, and the highly addictive nature of this activity. Its high street price entices many users to attempt to make their own repairs for personal use, and on a smaller, secondary level, provide support to other criminal engine users.
As a result, automobile repair facilities now turn up in houses, barns, apartments, trailers, campers, cabins, backyard sheds and motel rooms – even the backs of pickup trucks. The equipment for an automobile repair facility can be as small as to fit in a duffel bag, a cardboard box or the trunk of a car. Building or repairing in small facilities, such as backyard sheds, is on the rise as the preferred method of construction or renovation, thanks in part to restrictive sales of tools, parts, oils, gasoline and similar petroleum products.
AUTOMOBILE FABRICATION / REPAIR SHOP
Many people may be living next door to an automobile repair facility and not know it. Some of the signs that there is an engine repair facility in operation are obvious and easy to spot, other signs are not so conspicuous.
In fact, you may have observed such indicators and not realized it. IC engines are, in fact, very simple to produce or repair, with simple tools and small machines. A user can go to retail stores and easily purchase the vast majority of the components necessary to manufacture or repair these illicit machines. Items such as steel tubing, batteries, red paint, pool acid, and aluminum can be utilized to fabricate some of the necessary components.
Precursor fuel components such as benzene can be extracted from common, over-the-counter cleaning chemicals or solvents. A clandestine shop operator can utilize relatively common items such as mason jars, coffee cups, hot plates, pressure cookers, pillowcases, plastic tubing, gas cans, etc., to substitute for sophisticated repair equipment.
Unlike electric motors, spring powered vehicles, or other types of dangerous machinery, it does not take a college-educated machinist to produce an engine. In fact, less than 10 percent of those suspects arrested for the manufacture of engines or fuels are trained machinists or chemists, which may be one reason we see so many fires, explosions, and injuries involving clandestine shops.
Here are some of the things to watch for:
Unusual strong odors (like urine, ether, diesel fuel, acetone or other chemicals).
Sheds or garages with windows blacked out.
Renters who pay their landlords in cash- most auto parts dealers conduct business exclusively in cash, as it is harder to trace, and the RFI chips in the currency can be defeated by simply enclosing the bills in metal foil.
Large amounts of traffic - people coming and going at unusual hours. There may be little traffic during the day and large amounts at night.
Often times, there will be a crowd gathered to participate and observe, and loud and boisterous activity might ensue as the “happiness” of the criminal attendees reaches a fervor pitch. Cheering, hooting, and hollering are frequently observed, often accompanied by hand waving. Sometimes there is even music and dancing, often involving underage children. Raucous laughter can often be heard as tales of past exploits and incidents of escaping capture by the authorities are shared.
Sounds and smells of internal combustion engines- the poisonous exhaust fumes have a di-“stink”-tive aroma.
Excessive trash, including large quantities of: antifreeze containers, fuel cans, red stained coffee filters, carb cleaner cans, and duct tape.
Unusual amounts of clear glass containers being brought into the home.
Windows blacked out or covered by aluminum foil, plywood, sheets, blankets, etc.
Secretive / protective area surrounding the residence (like video cameras, alarm systems, guard dogs, reinforced doors, electrified fencing).
Overhead doors on the structure, larger than needed for persons to pass through.
Persons exiting the structure to smoke, drink, eat, etc.
Frequent trips to the scrap metal dealer to buy and sell in secret
Persons seen in the area with soiled, grease-stained hands.
Washroom facilities, often having a toilet as well, used for disposing of the toxic waste.
Little traffic during the day, but high traffic at late hours; including vehicles arriving and staying for abnormally short or long periods of time.
Little or no mail, furniture, visible trash and no newspaper delivery.
Machinery or parts of old machines lying about the property
Unusual quantities of clear glass containers being brought into the home.
Unusual repetition of the same statements, for no apparent reason.
Obviously the presence of any ONE of these items is not a definitive indicator of the presence of an automobile repair facility. However, combinations of these indicators or large quantities of these items may be a sign of a prohibited facility.
[cont'd]
Last edited by Octania; January 25th, 2014 at 01:04 PM.
January 25th, 2014 | 01:05 PM
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Part II:
ENGINE REPAIR SHOPS ARE VERY DANGEROUS!!!
THE FABRICATION or REPAIR FACILITY
If you encounter a known or suspected Automobile Repair Facility, contact law enforcement and stay away! The threats posed by clandestine shops are not limited to fire, explosion, poison gas, drug & alcohol use, and boobies stuck in booby traps; the chemical contamination of the hazardous waste contained in these shops also poses a serious danger to our nation's environment. Heavy metal parts can fall on a person’s toes or fingers, causing injuries. Of course, the use of the machinery is exceedingly dangerous not only to the driver/ user of the machine, but to all persons in the vicinity.
Each pound of illicit machinery generated in a clandestine shop can result in as much as five pounds of heavy metal and toxic waste, which the operators routinely dump on the land, or into our nation's streams, rivers, and sewage systems to cover up the evidence of their nefarious operations. In addition, surreptitious shop operators routinely show a blatant disregard for the health and safety of others as evidenced by the number of children who have been present at these shop sites. Sometimes, children are even allowed to operate machines fitted with internal combustion engines.
Because of the possibility of contained or uncontained explosions, and direct contact with toxic fumes and hazardous chemicals, law enforcement officers who raid concealed repair shops are now required to take special training in hazardous materials (HAZMAT) handling. Locally, the Indiana State Police has a specially trained Automobile Repair Facility cleanup team who will assist with safe and proper handling of the materials where shops are uncovered.
The highly toxic and flammable chemicals involved make these rudimentary repair and fabrication facilities ticking time-bombs which require highly specialized and expensive training to safely dismantle and clean. The size of shop does not matter when it comes to the danger level involved in a clandestine shop raid. In fact, the smaller shops are usually more dangerous than the larger operations because the technicians are generally less experienced mechanics and machinists, who often have little regard for the safety issues that arise when dealing with heavy metals, oxides of iron and aluminum, or explosive and poisonous chemicals. Even plastics can be used in the fabrication of these illicit machines, causing large volumes of toxic smoke in the event of a crash or fire when the inevitable problem crops up during the festivities involving the use, fabrication, or repair of internal combustion engines. However, the size of a clandestine repair shop can be a significant factor in the total costs associated with the hazardous material cleanup. Larger facilities usually have larger quantities of heavy or toxic materials, and therefore more significant disposal charges. Furthermore, it has been found frequently that producers of fuels and engines also possess large numbers of firearms, adding to the dangerous situation for residents and for police.
Landlords and neighbors suspecting Automobile Repair Facility activity should pay attention and look for the presence of the following items, which could indicate the existence of an automobile repair facility:
Alcohol
Cold Packs, or residue/used cold pack wrappers in quantity
Ether
Benzene
Toluene/Paint Thinner
Freon
Acetone & Automatic Transmission Fluid mixture
Chloroform
Camp Stove Fuel/Coleman Fuel
Starting Fluid (“Start, You Bastard” in a spray can, for example)
Anhydrous Ammonia (propane tanks with altered valves or tubes)
"Heet" fuel treatment
Acetylene and Oxygen in highly pressurized tubes
White Gasoline
Black Gasoline
Hispanic Gasoline
Asian Gasoline
Nitrous Oxide
Propane
Red Phosphorous [often disguised as “safety equipement” - road flares]
Lead-acid or lithium batteries
Lye (Red Devil Lye)
Cast iron
Paint stripper
Paint thinner
Transmission fluid
Tubing
Drano
Muriatic/Hydrochloric Acid
Battery Acid/Sulfuric Acid
Sheet metal
Electrical wire
Epsom Salts
Bandages or Band-Aids®
Sodium Metal
Sodium Chloride
Wooden Matches
Lighters
Wood, such as sections of tree limbs, often used as heat for the shops
Propane Cylinders
Hot Plates
Coffee and hot chocolate
Energy Booster cables
Rock Salt or similar de-icing chemicals
Food, water, and air- these hazardous items are found at ALL secret shops.
If you suspect that an Automobile Repair Facility may be present, or if you find the above listed "precursor" items, do NOT confront the shop residents/area. The criminals should not be approached without the proper government training and support, to ensure that the appropriate incriminating materials are “found” at the site, so that a conviction can be obtained and this scourge eliminated. All good citizens must be vigilant for the signs of this type of activity, and report the criminals at once. The safety of all our valued citizens, and the health of our planet, depends on eliminating all non-governmental use of the internal combustion engine.
Contact:
South Bendover Police ARF Activity Hotline at 505-235-9046,
Crime Stoppers, at 800-288-STOP
Indiana State Police Internal Combustion Hotline at 1-800-443-4576 or if you see manufacture or use of IC engines in progress, contact 911.
ENGINE REPAIR SHOPS ARE VERY DANGEROUS!!!
THE FABRICATION or REPAIR FACILITY
If you encounter a known or suspected Automobile Repair Facility, contact law enforcement and stay away! The threats posed by clandestine shops are not limited to fire, explosion, poison gas, drug & alcohol use, and boobies stuck in booby traps; the chemical contamination of the hazardous waste contained in these shops also poses a serious danger to our nation's environment. Heavy metal parts can fall on a person’s toes or fingers, causing injuries. Of course, the use of the machinery is exceedingly dangerous not only to the driver/ user of the machine, but to all persons in the vicinity.
Each pound of illicit machinery generated in a clandestine shop can result in as much as five pounds of heavy metal and toxic waste, which the operators routinely dump on the land, or into our nation's streams, rivers, and sewage systems to cover up the evidence of their nefarious operations. In addition, surreptitious shop operators routinely show a blatant disregard for the health and safety of others as evidenced by the number of children who have been present at these shop sites. Sometimes, children are even allowed to operate machines fitted with internal combustion engines.
Because of the possibility of contained or uncontained explosions, and direct contact with toxic fumes and hazardous chemicals, law enforcement officers who raid concealed repair shops are now required to take special training in hazardous materials (HAZMAT) handling. Locally, the Indiana State Police has a specially trained Automobile Repair Facility cleanup team who will assist with safe and proper handling of the materials where shops are uncovered.
The highly toxic and flammable chemicals involved make these rudimentary repair and fabrication facilities ticking time-bombs which require highly specialized and expensive training to safely dismantle and clean. The size of shop does not matter when it comes to the danger level involved in a clandestine shop raid. In fact, the smaller shops are usually more dangerous than the larger operations because the technicians are generally less experienced mechanics and machinists, who often have little regard for the safety issues that arise when dealing with heavy metals, oxides of iron and aluminum, or explosive and poisonous chemicals. Even plastics can be used in the fabrication of these illicit machines, causing large volumes of toxic smoke in the event of a crash or fire when the inevitable problem crops up during the festivities involving the use, fabrication, or repair of internal combustion engines. However, the size of a clandestine repair shop can be a significant factor in the total costs associated with the hazardous material cleanup. Larger facilities usually have larger quantities of heavy or toxic materials, and therefore more significant disposal charges. Furthermore, it has been found frequently that producers of fuels and engines also possess large numbers of firearms, adding to the dangerous situation for residents and for police.
Landlords and neighbors suspecting Automobile Repair Facility activity should pay attention and look for the presence of the following items, which could indicate the existence of an automobile repair facility:
Alcohol
Cold Packs, or residue/used cold pack wrappers in quantity
Ether
Benzene
Toluene/Paint Thinner
Freon
Acetone & Automatic Transmission Fluid mixture
Chloroform
Camp Stove Fuel/Coleman Fuel
Starting Fluid (“Start, You Bastard” in a spray can, for example)
Anhydrous Ammonia (propane tanks with altered valves or tubes)
"Heet" fuel treatment
Acetylene and Oxygen in highly pressurized tubes
White Gasoline
Black Gasoline
Hispanic Gasoline
Asian Gasoline
Nitrous Oxide
Propane
Red Phosphorous [often disguised as “safety equipement” - road flares]
Lead-acid or lithium batteries
Lye (Red Devil Lye)
Cast iron
Paint stripper
Paint thinner
Transmission fluid
Tubing
Drano
Muriatic/Hydrochloric Acid
Battery Acid/Sulfuric Acid
Sheet metal
Electrical wire
Epsom Salts
Bandages or Band-Aids®
Sodium Metal
Sodium Chloride
Wooden Matches
Lighters
Wood, such as sections of tree limbs, often used as heat for the shops
Propane Cylinders
Hot Plates
Coffee and hot chocolate
Energy Booster cables
Rock Salt or similar de-icing chemicals
Food, water, and air- these hazardous items are found at ALL secret shops.
If you suspect that an Automobile Repair Facility may be present, or if you find the above listed "precursor" items, do NOT confront the shop residents/area. The criminals should not be approached without the proper government training and support, to ensure that the appropriate incriminating materials are “found” at the site, so that a conviction can be obtained and this scourge eliminated. All good citizens must be vigilant for the signs of this type of activity, and report the criminals at once. The safety of all our valued citizens, and the health of our planet, depends on eliminating all non-governmental use of the internal combustion engine.
Contact:
South Bendover Police ARF Activity Hotline at 505-235-9046,
Crime Stoppers, at 800-288-STOP
Indiana State Police Internal Combustion Hotline at 1-800-443-4576 or if you see manufacture or use of IC engines in progress, contact 911.
November 9th, 2020 | 06:03 AM
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With the infamous Al Gore most likely to be the next US EPA Secretary in the new administration, and the already proposed banning of Internal Combustion Engine powered vehicles for the 'general public' already underway in many places, this futuristic Test Post was unfortunately only off by seven years. The ban will probably be done indirectly first by phasing out the sale of gasoline then diesel fuel except to law enforcement, the military, and government officials - or simply raising the gasoline and diesel tax to the point that only taxpayer funded institutes like the government, military, and law enforcement will be able to fuel and operate internal combustion engine powered vehicles.
November 9th, 2020 | 06:38 AM
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I hope this doesn’t go against the grain of no political discussion......but
from what I understand, it’s not so much a ban on the internal combustion engine that the tree huggers are hoping to enact, but some financial incentive to encourage alternative energies. I really doubt the tree huggers have thought out this proposed IC ban very well.
I’m not sure what the exact number of auto workers in this county total, but I’m guessing it’s a pretty big number. Then factor in all the people working in smaller factories producing parts for the big factories. Granted, those people would still have jobs assuming the vehicles are powered by something other than a IC engine, but that’s a LONG way off.
I keep hearing kids pushing for electric cars, and that Tesla are the greatest thing on 4 wheels. I’m not convinced. When the make a car that that can run all day with fuel stops (recharge stops) as quick as they are now, maybe I’ll change my mind. When a big truck can pull 30 tons of freight, maybe I’ll see the light.
Right now, you can’t go a summer without hearing about power blackouts/brownouts in California. What’s going to happen around 6 o’clock when everyone gets home from work and immediately plugs in their car charger? The electrical grid as is can’t handle that. Once again, supposedly that’s what the proposed legislation is suppose to address.
from what I understand, it’s not so much a ban on the internal combustion engine that the tree huggers are hoping to enact, but some financial incentive to encourage alternative energies. I really doubt the tree huggers have thought out this proposed IC ban very well.
I’m not sure what the exact number of auto workers in this county total, but I’m guessing it’s a pretty big number. Then factor in all the people working in smaller factories producing parts for the big factories. Granted, those people would still have jobs assuming the vehicles are powered by something other than a IC engine, but that’s a LONG way off.
I keep hearing kids pushing for electric cars, and that Tesla are the greatest thing on 4 wheels. I’m not convinced. When the make a car that that can run all day with fuel stops (recharge stops) as quick as they are now, maybe I’ll change my mind. When a big truck can pull 30 tons of freight, maybe I’ll see the light.
Right now, you can’t go a summer without hearing about power blackouts/brownouts in California. What’s going to happen around 6 o’clock when everyone gets home from work and immediately plugs in their car charger? The electrical grid as is can’t handle that. Once again, supposedly that’s what the proposed legislation is suppose to address.
November 9th, 2020 | 07:43 AM
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matt69olds: I agree with everything you said, but unfortunately, politicians & officials who want these 'zero emissions' tagged vehicles do not care about all of the negative attributes of electric vehicles: Taking hours to recharge the battery, rolling blackouts, fire/electrocution concerns, need of scarce resources to make the batteries, the high initial & replacement costs, and an immensely inadequate power grid.
Surprisingly, these same politicians & officials do not want to gradually phase out internal combustion engine (ICE) powered vehicles by first mandating the sale of only new hybrid and electric vehicles, which a reasonable person would had speculated. Nope, they want to go straight to electric only vehicles. This includes later mandating the conversion to electric power of any registered ICE powered vehicles. The GM of Cadillac recently said in an interview that even though the modern gasoline internal combustion engine is the most efficient and clean source of power, General Motors is committed to ending the production of all ICE powered vehicles in favor of solely electric powered vehicles by the end of this decade.
All of this started right after the 1973 Oil Embargo and the ensuing fuel crisis. A special interest group swore they would end the financial bonanza and power being reaped by the Gulf States from the sale of oil, no matter how long it took. Their plan was to substantially cut the use of oil worldwide, and more importantly, end the sale of billions of barrels of oil used annually to manufacturer gasoline & diesel fuels by ensuring countries and corporations ban gasoline & diesel powered vehicles. Seems their plan is working, even if it took nearly half a century.
Surprisingly, these same politicians & officials do not want to gradually phase out internal combustion engine (ICE) powered vehicles by first mandating the sale of only new hybrid and electric vehicles, which a reasonable person would had speculated. Nope, they want to go straight to electric only vehicles. This includes later mandating the conversion to electric power of any registered ICE powered vehicles. The GM of Cadillac recently said in an interview that even though the modern gasoline internal combustion engine is the most efficient and clean source of power, General Motors is committed to ending the production of all ICE powered vehicles in favor of solely electric powered vehicles by the end of this decade.
All of this started right after the 1973 Oil Embargo and the ensuing fuel crisis. A special interest group swore they would end the financial bonanza and power being reaped by the Gulf States from the sale of oil, no matter how long it took. Their plan was to substantially cut the use of oil worldwide, and more importantly, end the sale of billions of barrels of oil used annually to manufacturer gasoline & diesel fuels by ensuring countries and corporations ban gasoline & diesel powered vehicles. Seems their plan is working, even if it took nearly half a century.
November 9th, 2020 | 08:29 AM
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Test drove a Tesla Y all wheel drive. Few days ago. Impressive! Had ordered one two motor and one three motor Cybertruck with Full Self-Driving. At its first showing. Its different looking, Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
About $20 to travel 300 to 350 miles at Supercharger in about an hour. Lunch, bathroom, stretch your legs. And that is getting faster and more mileage all the time. No oil change, wires, plugs, etc.
Told by Tesla about 1.5 years before I can get the truck. GMC Hummer EV. looks good to me. Just look at all the windmills in south Texas. They are everywhere down there.
You are not going to stop progress! EV will get better and better. Solar panels and battery storage also. Is the way it is going. See how Tesla mega battery storage saved Australia
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-42190358
About $20 to travel 300 to 350 miles at Supercharger in about an hour. Lunch, bathroom, stretch your legs. And that is getting faster and more mileage all the time. No oil change, wires, plugs, etc.
Told by Tesla about 1.5 years before I can get the truck. GMC Hummer EV. looks good to me. Just look at all the windmills in south Texas. They are everywhere down there.
You are not going to stop progress! EV will get better and better. Solar panels and battery storage also. Is the way it is going. See how Tesla mega battery storage saved Australia
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-42190358
November 9th, 2020 | 08:58 AM
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Just look at all the windmills in south Texas. They are everywhere down there.
You are not going to stop progress! EV will get better and better. Solar panels and battery storage also. Is the way it is going. See how Tesla mega battery storage saved Australia
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-42190358
You are not going to stop progress! EV will get better and better. Solar panels and battery storage also. Is the way it is going. See how Tesla mega battery storage saved Australia
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-42190358
November 9th, 2020 | 09:21 AM
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Please read! See how Tesla mega battery storage saved Australia
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-42190358
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-42190358
November 9th, 2020 | 09:24 AM
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In the old days fables began with the words........Once upon a time..... Now they use the words "Politicians and officials". Paint a picture of gloom and doom, add some living person's name to insinuate credability and some will buy into BS.
The new price of EV's are high priced and rising. Peoples wages are rising at a much slower rate.
The new price of EV's are high priced and rising. Peoples wages are rising at a much slower rate.
November 9th, 2020 | 09:30 AM
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In the old days fables began with the words........Once upon a time..... Now they use the words "Politicians and officials". Paint a picture of gloom and doom, add some living person's name to insinuate credability and some will buy into BS.
The new price of EV's are high priced and rising. Peoples wages are rising at a much slower rate.
The new price of EV's are high priced and rising. Peoples wages are rising at a much slower rate.
Elon Musk is the Thomas Edison of our time.
November 9th, 2020 | 09:36 AM
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From: Laguna Vista, TX
Cybertruck are costing equal or less than a Ford F350 or any other large truck with extras. Have you looked how much they want for a new truck today!
F-350 versions range from $36,815 to $88,375 (Limited, crew cab, 4-wheel drive)
Dual motor AWD Cybertruck with Full self driving will cost me $57,000 I got in the first day.
F-350 versions range from $36,815 to $88,375 (Limited, crew cab, 4-wheel drive)
Dual motor AWD Cybertruck with Full self driving will cost me $57,000 I got in the first day.
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November 9th, 2020 | 10:18 AM
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Thanks! I will finally get even a better look at the country as I travel.
Cybertruck
Made in Texas, USA Tesla Gigafactory Austin 4K Day 108 - 11/7/20
Cybertruck
Made in Texas, USA Tesla Gigafactory Austin 4K Day 108 - 11/7/20
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fV5bjT9FCjk
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November 9th, 2020 | 11:15 AM
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EV is coming. In 5 years, I may take a closer look at at the trucks...well, if I am still allowed to drive. 
Over the past 2 months I have made a lot of 350 - 400 mile trips. Wouldn't want to risk a current battery at 90% capacity. But, Tesla is KING. They still lead in battery technology....and will for a long time. But, the day will come that Dylithium Crystals rule...LOL!
Over the past 2 months I have made a lot of 350 - 400 mile trips. Wouldn't want to risk a current battery at 90% capacity. But, Tesla is KING. They still lead in battery technology....and will for a long time. But, the day will come that Dylithium Crystals rule...LOL!
November 9th, 2020 | 11:22 AM
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EV is coming. In 5 years, I may take a closer look at at the trucks...well, if I am still allowed to drive.
Over the past 2 months I have made a lot of 350 - 400 mile trips. Wouldn't want to risk a current battery at 90% capacity. But, Tesla is KING. They still lead in battery technology....and will for a long time. But, the day will come that Dylithium Crystals rule...LOL!
Over the past 2 months I have made a lot of 350 - 400 mile trips. Wouldn't want to risk a current battery at 90% capacity. But, Tesla is KING. They still lead in battery technology....and will for a long time. But, the day will come that Dylithium Crystals rule...LOL!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHUZxeSUFUk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vumQPhmqR_4
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November 9th, 2020 | 12:01 PM
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EV is coming. In 5 years, I may take a closer look at at the trucks...well, if I am still allowed to drive.
Over the past 2 months I have made a lot of 350 - 400 mile trips. Wouldn't want to risk a current battery at 90% capacity. But, Tesla is KING. They still lead in battery technology....and will for a long time. But, the day will come that Dylithium Crystals rule...LOL!
Over the past 2 months I have made a lot of 350 - 400 mile trips. Wouldn't want to risk a current battery at 90% capacity. But, Tesla is KING. They still lead in battery technology....and will for a long time. But, the day will come that Dylithium Crystals rule...LOL!
I get the Star Trek reference. I always wondered why Scotty didn’t keep a stash or spare Dilithium Crystals stashed somewhere.
November 9th, 2020 | 12:18 PM
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The Rest-o-mod industry is moving quickly to electric. With 0-60 times under 2 seconds.
https://carbuzz.com/features/the-wor...-cars-are-epic
https://carbuzz.com/features/the-wor...-cars-are-epic
November 9th, 2020 | 12:22 PM
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The Rest-o-mod industry is moving quickly to electric. With 0-60 times under 2 seconds.
https://carbuzz.com/features/the-wor...-cars-are-epic
https://carbuzz.com/features/the-wor...-cars-are-epic
November 9th, 2020 | 02:02 PM
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I wonder how many Electric Vehicles would be sold if not heavily subsidized by the government via those taxpayers who cannot afford or want these same Electric Vehicles. This includes subsidizing the manufacturing, purchase, charging stations, and whatever other hidden subsidies politicians & officials are handing out in the misleading name of "zero emissions" vehicles. Germany has produced a battery that will fully charge in less than 15 minutes, but the cable connection needs to be specially cooled with a high cost coolant and protective covering to prevent burns and fires.
In the past, teachers used to tell students of the new and upcoming miracle electric producing power plant - it did not pollute the atmosphere like other power plants and would operate for decades nearly cost free - they called it the way of the future and progress: the nuclear power plant. According to studies, with all of the non-polluting sources of energy combined, there is not sufficient to power generated for even 10% of electric grid.
As for restomods going electric, no surprise there. They were already junking factory installed engines for more drivable and modern 'crate motors'. Unfortunately, many ordinary car owners follow restomoder's and have ruined beyond restoration many classic cars. If you want a car that drives, handles, and has the conveniences of a modern car, why not just buy a new car? For the most part, isn't the fun and satisfaction of having a classic car the experience of driving and maintaining a car that will never be made in the same fashion by the automotive industry?
In the past, teachers used to tell students of the new and upcoming miracle electric producing power plant - it did not pollute the atmosphere like other power plants and would operate for decades nearly cost free - they called it the way of the future and progress: the nuclear power plant. According to studies, with all of the non-polluting sources of energy combined, there is not sufficient to power generated for even 10% of electric grid.
As for restomods going electric, no surprise there. They were already junking factory installed engines for more drivable and modern 'crate motors'. Unfortunately, many ordinary car owners follow restomoder's and have ruined beyond restoration many classic cars. If you want a car that drives, handles, and has the conveniences of a modern car, why not just buy a new car? For the most part, isn't the fun and satisfaction of having a classic car the experience of driving and maintaining a car that will never be made in the same fashion by the automotive industry?
November 9th, 2020 | 05:19 PM
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$7,500 tax credit for every electric vehicle sold. Partly to boost the rate of technological innovation. Every day big oil can tells the public EV are bad and slow down EVs is huge amount of money. USA about 9.31 million barrels of gas a day.
About 3.40 billion barrels gas per year. I kill EV if I could. Plus the US bailed out gas and oil companies for like 470 Billion dollars this year! Like the plastic industry, told us plastic with be 100% recyclable. Big lies! For huge profits.
There is only so much oil in the ground. Sooner or later there won't be much around. As EV, I think someone said on here, good more gas for our classics
Puting trillions of tonnes of CO2 in the atmosphere and see what happens, which could be catastrophic. I understand the Earth climate changes over 10,000 to 100,000 years.
To me and many scientist, man has excelateing it. You do not need to be a rocket science to see that. Internal combustion engine is not helping. Along with other things.
Elon Musk feels the future now. SpaceX and so much more!
Musk also founded machine intelligence venture Neuralink, because he believes humans must merge with AI to avoid becoming irrelevant. (The Matrix) He see the dangers of AI to mankind.
About 3.40 billion barrels gas per year. I kill EV if I could. Plus the US bailed out gas and oil companies for like 470 Billion dollars this year! Like the plastic industry, told us plastic with be 100% recyclable. Big lies! For huge profits.
There is only so much oil in the ground. Sooner or later there won't be much around. As EV, I think someone said on here, good more gas for our classics
Puting trillions of tonnes of CO2 in the atmosphere and see what happens, which could be catastrophic. I understand the Earth climate changes over 10,000 to 100,000 years.
To me and many scientist, man has excelateing it. You do not need to be a rocket science to see that. Internal combustion engine is not helping. Along with other things.
Elon Musk feels the future now. SpaceX and so much more!
Musk also founded machine intelligence venture Neuralink, because he believes humans must merge with AI to avoid becoming irrelevant. (The Matrix) He see the dangers of AI to mankind.
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November 9th, 2020 | 05:35 PM
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Yep. Haphazardly ending use of fossil fuel for clean, and environmentally safe, nuclear generated power: So we can all drive wrongly labeled 'Zero Emissions' vehicles? And 'green' generated power is nowhere close to solely supply sufficient electricity to the national grid.
November 9th, 2020 | 06:16 PM
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Yep. Haphazardly ending use of fossil fuel for clean, and environmentally safe, nuclear generated power: So we can all drive wrongly labeled 'Zero Emissions' vehicles? And 'green' generated power is nowhere close to solely supply sufficient electricity to the national grid.
November 10th, 2020 | 06:04 AM
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Simple rules of thermodynamics: the more energy conversion needed, the less efficient the end result.
Example: fossil fuels provide power for generators to power your house. The power from you house then charged the battery in you electric car. Each step lowers total efficiency.
As a history fan, the image of the Hindenburg is etched permanently into my brain. I’m not sure how comfortable I would be driving around with a tank of compressed hydrogen behind me.
Now that I think about it, I have frequently been in cars and forklifts powered by propane. Hmmm
Our great grandparents were always at risk riding horses. Crap. Is nothing safe?!
Example: fossil fuels provide power for generators to power your house. The power from you house then charged the battery in you electric car. Each step lowers total efficiency.
As a history fan, the image of the Hindenburg is etched permanently into my brain. I’m not sure how comfortable I would be driving around with a tank of compressed hydrogen behind me.
Now that I think about it, I have frequently been in cars and forklifts powered by propane. Hmmm
Our great grandparents were always at risk riding horses. Crap. Is nothing safe?!
November 10th, 2020 | 09:06 AM
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Walmart to test deliveries with EV self-driving cars
11/10/20 10:38 AM ESThttps://thehill.com/policy/technolog...f-driving-cars
Ford, The electric van will go on sale in late 2021, followed by the all-electric F-150 pickup in 2022.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/10/ford-to-invest-100-million-in-missouri-plant-to-produce-all-electric-van.html
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