"Pete" (if that is your name) I have read and re-read the bylaws and the Policy manual and can't find where it is a violation of OCA bylaws for the treasurer to publish the financial report in the JWO. Please give me the paragraph and section of the location in both. Maybe I'm just a 68 yr old college graduate dumb *** that can't comprehend what I read.

 

You want to address me like that?

 

That is what is in your sig line. Doesn't mean it is your name. My name certainly isn't edzolz. True name is Ed ***. Been that for 68 years.

 

You have reason to be suspicious of me?

 

You could be a secret agent......does that B in Boldsmobile really mean Bond?

Anyway, let's not lose sight of the original topic.

 

No, Pete is the only given name you have in your signature line. You had stated the financial report was illegally printed in the JWO and I just wanted to know where in the OCA Bylaws or the Policy manual the section about it being against bylaw or policy to print the financial report in the JWO. I have read both numerous times and can't find it.

By the way, not addressing Boldsmobile, any removal of any elected board member can't be removed from office by petition. It has to be voted on by board of directors members and passed by 2/3rds of the members.

 

Edz, I would have been happy to discuss this matter with you but I don't appreciate or understand the need for you establish or have uncertainty in your mind that I'm the type of person who would come on here with some sort of false identity.

Unless casting a doubt on who I might be establishes a basis to discount what I say.

You have gone 68 years without the privilege of knowing me. I wish you another 68.

 

A petition is generally not cause to remove anyone from office, it's simply to make the people that do make those decisions (a assume the board in this case) aware that the voting population is unhappy with the actions of a fellow board member

 

Please see my post #15 above. The facts about removal are available, and yes, a petition is simply to give the members' opinion to the Board of Directors.
Ed and Bold, there might be just a typical keyboard misunderstanding here.

 

This whole "Pete thing" is but a prime example of the current problem(s) allegedly besetting OCA. One cannot get to the substance because of personality issues overshadowing the heart of the matter.

 

I did not mean this as a derogatory statement. I simply like to know who I am conversing with, like on a first name basis. Since that is the name in your sig line, I only wanted to know if that is your common use name.

 

Can anyone give me the section and paragraph in the bylaws or the policy manual that says it is illegal to publish the financial report in the JWO?

 

To the contrary, see Policy Manual p. 19, section IX. If you are referring to post #13, see #39 for a discussion.

 

The Board of Directors meeting minutes have been posted on the new OCA website for us to see. Hopefully they will add 2012 soon.

 

I think what the original poster said was the article in JWO revealed something he felt was illegal..not the fact the financial report is posted. Now we all need to dig up that copy of JWO and see if we can find what he is referring too.

 

From OCT JWO.

 

Saw the same concerns and issues with the Oldsmobile Club of Canada and it ceases to exist now. People have forgotten why the club (s) were first formed. As a Canadian I was an OCA member for 4 years but so no real reason to continue as a member.

For all the current members I hope things change so your club doesn't disappear like ours did.

Wayne

 

Unfortunately many OCA members seem to have the same feelings you did. A think monthly magazine/newsletter and a national meet in your region every 5-10 years does not seem worth the yearly dues. The club has failed to move into the 21st century, attract younger owners, or to promote Oldsmobiles in any way. I could probably get more bang for my buck just renewing my subscription to Hemmings Classic Car every month.

 

I agree.

 

Just today (December 18) got an interesting email from the secretary of the Eastern Massachusetts GMO chapter of the OCA regarding this. I'm a bit reluctant to post the email here as I'm not sure it would be appropriate as it was not necessarily meant to be made public.

But the gist of the email is that this chapter was considering applying to host the 2015 Nationals (or be a co-host with another chapter, I'm not sure), and they're now going to wait until the results of the recall petition (they're apparently strongly in favor of it) and of a mid-year OCA Board of Directors meeting are in to determine not only if they will go ahead with the application to host the nationals but also if they will even remain an affiliated chapter of the OCA.

The overall tone of the email seems to be that the future of the OCA itself hinges on the outcome of the recall petition. It's certainly sounding like this and perhaps other chapters will dissolve themselves or at least separate from the OCA and become independent clubs if the petition is not successful.

 

This is not good news! It seems to me, in times of crisis the key is to band together, not to abandon ship?

 

I have to admit significant ignorance in all of this. For example, what is the recall petition actually asking for? That a new election be held for OCA president? Officers, too? The entire board? How long is the term of the OCA president and the others? In other words, when would all of these people normally be up for reelection?

 

There are several updates to this issue that have been posted on another forum:
Here

 

Were there is money there
is corruption! I hope they remove all parties involved with this matter!:mad

 

?

 

Why don't we let this thing play out? Either the guy is going to be removed from office or he isn't. If he isn't, it will not change anybody's perception of what's happened. The only loser is going to be the national OCA, just like what happened to the Pontiac club years back. There is no proof (that has been released publicly) of where the photo was sent from at this time, however a good computer forensic detective will be able to determine exactly where they were sent from by tracing the IP address attached to the e-mail.

 

FYI the results were just published and the recall failed. The vote was 11 for and 7 against but it failed to meet the % of the board needed to remove the treasurer.

 

Who voted and how did they vote?

 

Voting results and comments attached.

Sorry for the three pieces, I'm not techie enough to figure out how to post this any other way.

As for those who voted 'No', THROW THE BUMS OUT!!!!

 

The no votes were:
Gene Crowdis
Pat Higgins
Ken Williams
Rick Winn
Stewart Stephenson
Erik Martinsen
Galen Kolesar

Bonnie Fochi did not vote,so it was counted as no
Ed Konsmo abstained

The rest of the board voted yes. That's fine,we'll get all out next year in the general election.

 

As explained by David Consoli:

 

That just shows how big an @$$hole Konsmo is. No guts @ all and this will cost him in the end.

 

When is the election for new officers? Who votes?

 

These gutless wonders will be remembered in the next election. They apparently value their personal connections over what's right and proper for OCA. They certainly don't represent the majority of the members. We'll won't forget.

The no votes were
Gene Crowdis
Pat Higgins
Ken Williams
Rick Winn
Stewart Stephenson
Erik Martinsen
Galen Kolesar

Bonnie Fochi did not vote,so it was counted as no
Ed Konsmo abstained

 

Then find someone to run for the ASE positions besides the people Wilson was seen schmoozing at Oldsmar last weekend. Dixie was the only ASE chapter that supported the recall petition, and I know for sure four (and possibly all) of the other ASE chapters did not. I don't think any of them will ever get a fair shake from current OCA exec board because of that.

I've had four emails since 7 PM tonight asking me to consider running for ZD again. I don't think I want to involve myself in that dog and pony show.

Mike, listen to yourself. "we'll get all out next year in the general election" sounds just as bad as what that MIN bunch has done this go-round.

 

Here ya go (sorry, the site reduces the size of the image) —



Good luck guys! I'm not an OCA member, but it looks like you've got quite a mess on your hands.

- Eric

 

And how do you know how the majority of the members of OCA feel. Surely you don't think the blogs on the internet forums are the pulse of all of the members. I personally know at least 15 members of the local NTOC chapter that never read these sites. Out of the thousands of OCA members, I'll be willing to guess there is more than 50% that don't read these sites because they are in OCA to have fun and show their cars at events.

 

How about the 1700 signatures they had to recall Crowdis? Spin it anyway you want but I bet you anything his @$$ is toast in the next election. 700 voted in the last election and the vote was split even @ appox. 350 each. Now tell me me which is more,1700 or 350?

 

The future of the OCA has to be internet based or it will die. The 50% that don't read the internet won't be here in 15 years.

I personally think that Wilson was elected through an effective internet effort. It was widely published that he would be sympathetic to the interests of the racers. I think that he got significant support from ROP and Oldspower. People voted who never bothered to send in that stupid paper ballot before (I was one of them). I think in previous OCA elections there was probably little to no internet interest and therefore voter turnout was lower.

edit:

I see Mike posted before I finished. The recall petition interest speaks volumes

 

1700 signatures doesn't make a majority of the 5500 or so members of OCA. It is sad that more members do not care enough to vote for leadership, just like in a national election. I'll say this, if you could poll every member of OCA about how things are going, there would be over 50% that don't care. Like I said, they want to show their cars and have fun. So the hate mongers lost this time, they will get another opportunity at next election to get the candidate of their choice put in office.