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Old Mar 11, 2021 | 07:16 AM
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Everyone is a winner! Today’s mentality 🙄

Number 2 stepdaughter is smart. Very smart, definitely either the top of her class, or very very close to it. Out of a graduating class over 600, that’s one hell of a accomplishment! I would like to brag that I played no small part in helping her with this achievement, but since I’m surrounded by genius, nobody would believe me. 😏

She has spent the last several weeks applying for scholarships. Many of them specifically ask for her class rank. When she asked about it, she was told that the school no longer gives out that information. I guess with society the way it is, it’s to be expected. I can understand MAYBE not ranking the bottom of the class, but I’m guessing whoever is last probably doesn’t care about their education.

This really chaps my ***!! This is the first year the school is doing this, and I after bitching about this to others, I have learned it’s becoming more common. She worked very hard, took some very difficult classes, and is being denied the recognition she deserves.

I wonder how it would go over if I applied for a substantial personal loan, when the load officer asks about my credit score I inform them it’s irrelevant?

Anyone else in readerland have schools systems pulling this crap?!

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Old Mar 11, 2021 | 07:26 AM
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I have heard of that yes. It is just an odd world these days. Sort of like field day in school. Can't even give out a blue ribbon anymore.
Old Mar 11, 2021 | 09:51 AM
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If you have elected school boards, start pressuring them. Knee to the neck so to speak if needed. They're as bad as any other elected officials when it comes to keeping themselves in office. Same for school superintendent. They make their living off your taxes.
Old Mar 11, 2021 | 10:29 AM
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It's a sad world we are living in today.
Old Mar 11, 2021 | 10:32 AM
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If you have elected school boards, start pressuring them. Knee to the neck so to speak if needed. They're as bad as any other elected officials when it comes to keeping themselves in office. Same for school superintendent. They make their living off your taxes.
Pretty much. Get on the horn, and demand it. If that person won't give it, get their supervisor. If that doesn't work, shameful letter to the editor and the local news TV.
Old Mar 11, 2021 | 11:26 AM
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Good luck. Bleeding hearts rule in today's day and age.
Old Mar 11, 2021 | 08:41 PM
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They want to know college entrance exam scores and all sorts of stuff. Class rankings really aren't all that important. In the end, you'll mostly being paying her way through school.
Old Mar 12, 2021 | 01:00 PM
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Attended a nephew's soccer started booing and yelling at the ref for poor decisions, needing corrective glasses and the players to get their heads out of their asses. I was getting strange looks from other fans and told I will be asked to leave. I wasn't even using four letter words. Not only that but all players on the team must get in the game. There is no earning your spot on the teamDon't understand it at all
Old Mar 12, 2021 | 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by bobs72
Attended a nephew's soccer started booing and yelling at the ref for poor decisions, needing corrective glasses and the players to get their heads out of their asses. I was getting strange looks from other fans and told I will be asked to leave. I wasn't even using four letter words. Not only that but all players on the team must get in the game. There is no earning your spot on the teamDon't understand it at all
The heckling of sports officials is a lost art.
Old Mar 12, 2021 | 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by bobs72
Attended a nephew's soccer started booing and yelling at the ref for poor decisions, needing corrective glasses and the players to get their heads out of their asses. I was getting strange looks from other fans and told I will be asked to leave. I wasn't even using four letter words. Not only that but all players on the team must get in the game. There is no earning your spot on the teamDon't understand it at all
If your nephew is on a professional soccer team I'm all for your behavior. Those guys get paid good money to get it right.

As a volunteer coach and little league officer I'd say if your nephew was on a local amateur team they should have told you to leave and never come back.
Old Mar 13, 2021 | 03:54 AM
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Originally Posted by allyolds68
if your nephew is on a professional soccer team i'm all for your behavior. Those guys get paid good money to get it right.

As a volunteer coach and little league officer i'd say if your nephew was on a local amateur team they should have told you to leave and never come back.
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Old Mar 13, 2021 | 11:41 AM
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I was a little league umpire back in the day and we ejected parents/fans (and sometimes coaches) for acting like that.
Old Mar 13, 2021 | 01:05 PM
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I guess it's not in style anymore; these days it's a Karen letter to the organization and the ump gets fired.
Old Mar 13, 2021 | 01:36 PM
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I should say someone had to be quite obnoxious for us to throw them out. We would issue a warning first, explaining that if the behavior continued that we would throw the person out of the ballpark. If it was extreme, we also warned the coaches to keep their parents/fans in check or we would call the game. I mean, c'mon man, it's a little league game for young kids.
Old Mar 13, 2021 | 04:41 PM
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That's fair.

So, don't be this guy.

WARNING, THERE'S A TON OF FOUL LANGUAGE IN HERE AND I DON'T MEAN AS IN THE BASEBALL TERM.

Old Mar 13, 2021 | 04:46 PM
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I don't feel I crossed any lines. If an official gets a call wrong I,m going to let him know that's part of supporting your team. I was in my seat, didn't threaten get in anyone's face, throw anything. Taking stick is part of officiating but it can go to far.
more to the point if everyone gets a medal and is a winner then kids are missing a vital lesson of life Losing. It's how we get better and if you want something in life you have to earn it.
Old Mar 15, 2021 | 06:55 AM
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Having been an assistant coach for my sons' baseball teams, and not all that long ago, this whining about "everyone gets a participation ribbon" is BS. In my community, we kept score, there was a winning team and a losing team every game, even at the intro t-ball level. There were some ties on occasion at the intro level, but that had more to do with time limits and the field availability. Same during youth soccer. To me, this is just another thing for people to exhibit faux outrage online.

Also, the ref's and umpires are almost always high school kids, and are also players in their own age-level leagues. At the high school level, those ref's and ump's are local community people that do it because they love it, and often do the best they can. Remember, even the best of them now have the benefit of instant replay.
Old Mar 15, 2021 | 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Weezer
Having been an assistant coach for my sons' baseball teams, and not all that long ago, this whining about "everyone gets a participation ribbon" is BS. In my community, we kept score, there was a winning team and a losing team every game, even at the intro t-ball level.
That certainly is not how it is everywhere. My lil sis told me about her grandkid's t-ball and soccer games where they didn't keep score. So I'd say don't call BS on the entire country based on your experience in one geographic location.
Old Mar 15, 2021 | 11:05 AM
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We don't keep score at T-ball or Coach pitch level. It's pointless in T-ball because all the kids really care about is being the first one to jump on the ball. In Coach Pitch the kids are limited to one base per hit and we bat through the entire batting roster each inning. At those two levels the most important thing is that they learn the basics of baseball/softball, not learn to win or lose. Starting in Minor Leagues we keep score, learn positions and play to win. It's a logical progression and it works. Minor Leagues have district tournaments as well and only the best kids are placed on the team (unless your dad is coaching).

And for those parents that bitch about the coach's kid playing all the time..... you're welcome to volunteer as much as I do and your kids can play all the time too.....just say'n....

FWIW I'm not your typical snowflake parent. At age 57 most of my player's parents are half my age... The single biggest problem is parents don't get out and play ball with theirs kids. When I was a Coach Pitch coach I required every parent to start the first few practices playing catch with their kids. You'd be surprised how many kids I taught to throw a softball overhand in Minor League because they never really learned earlier when they should have. That isn't a coaches job, it's the parents job.

Softball pitching is even tougher. I've been lucky that both my girls have learned to pitch. Through them taking lessons it's taught me how to teach other girls

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Old Mar 15, 2021 | 02:38 PM
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Just to add some clarity to Matt’s original post. Yes, it is becoming more common for high schools to eliminate class rank. Over the last 10-15 years fewer colleges have requested class rank as a part of their application process. Perhaps an even greater reason for not providing class rank is that in Indiana a student can receive one of three high school diplomas. Each diploma has a different level of rigor to complete, so comparing one student’s GPA to another’s would be like comparing apples to oranges. What schools have discovered is that some students will choose to pursue a less rigorous diploma in order to make it easier to have a higher GPA. Matt, best wishes to your stepdaughter as she moves forward in life.
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