ent72olds

Seems pretty interesting that it survived! Can anyone shed some light on something like this, (Kurt-wmachine)? I think Andy has already spotted it!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/FIRST...item45f2d37626

Hotrodjimmy

If what he says is true, that's a steal at 15k, no?

Diego

Why is it a steal? Is the first car off the line worth that much to you?

svnt442

It was not supposed to be sold, hence "pilot car". And yes low production number cars are worth more for sure to some people. #1 can bring tons of cash from the right person.

wmachine

From what I've seen, I'm not convinced it is legit.

Diego

I was asking if it was worth it to him. Calling it a "Steal" is somewhat of a stretch to me.

But now that you're here, is it a steal to you?

Me? I'd rather spend the money for a good W-30.

Oldsguy

I read Diego's question to jimmy as being an "ask yourself, is worth that much to YOU" question. No doubt that it could be worth lots to the right buyer, for those that value that kind of documentation.

edit: hmmm, my slow composition skill showing itself again. Diego answered before I could post. (nice to know I read you right though...).

Diego

No worries - whatever fuzziness there was in my post is now clear due to your reading comprehension skills. :-)

svnt442

To me I agree with you. I'd rather have a W30 as well. But that rare stuff that was never supposed to leave the factory will always have a place in the collector world.

BIGJERR

If I was beyond rich there would be very few finds like this left becauce I would have them ALL! lol

I have seen crap box 442's go for close to this so being the first off the line in 72 might make it a steal........I wonder if it was a 70 what it would be worth?

svnt442

Yeah Jerr.....a 70 with an experimantal OW43 in it!

Hotrodjimmy

I was meaning from a pure $$$ point. I don't actually care, and wouldn't pay more for some awesome story or factoid, but that's just me.

But like others have said, some people are willing to pay big bucks for stuff like that, and lots of people seem concerned with '1 of 14' and all that jazz. Therefore, I was thinking that someone could make a lot of money off that car if they could sell it to the right people.

Sorry for the confusion?

wmachine

At best this is the first off the line in Fremont. Out of all the other GM cars made there(?) Not Lansing. I find it hard to believe Olds had "pilot" cars in Fremont considering they were previously done in Lansing and only when there were major body changes. And they were not made in June. Keep in mind they have not shown documentation, just claims. Beware of Greeks bearing gifts.

ent72olds

Kurt, I totally agree with you, and kind of had an idea what you would say, that's why I mentioned you! My only thing is the pic of the cowl tag...looks like it has been there for many years, and would it be that easy to stamp a counterfit, reading "pilot"? Would someone go through the trouble for a rat like that car?

WTony

My understanding from old timers that biult these cars was that these cars were built for test purposes only. The only thing that doesnt make sense is that they were usually built earlier in the year. June ish not Aug. The line went into production in Sept I think? So Aug is to close to the actual line production date I think. They were NOT all built at the same plant either. They were built at the plants nearest to each test facility in diffrent parts of the country that it was supposed to tested at. Hence a California car was tested there in the desert and possibly the high country? And they were usually beat to death then destroyed.
This is the expenation I got when I asked how that 53 Olds 88 prototype slipped thru the cracks and resurfaced to sell for 3 million.

Diego

What is this '53 you speak of? I have a hard time believing a run-of-the-mill '53 sold for 3 million. Perhaps the show car that was at B-J a number of years ago?

My understanding is that pilot cars were first production runs to make sure the processes of building a car were sorted out before public consumption.

wmachine

WTony, I think you are confusing a "prototype" or "concept car" with a "pilot car". That 3 Million $$$ Olds was a Concept Car. As Deigo says, the pilots are run at the beginning of the production run.

WTony

Eveything has me confused these days! LOL

joe_padavano

Considering that the 1972s were simply 1971 dressed up with different grilles and taillight lenses (due to the delay in the Colonnade cars), I don't know why a "pilot" car would have even been required. Yes, it's VIN #1. More importantly, it's a U code car. I'd guess fully restored, with the numbers-matching block and trans, it's worth $30K-40K.

72 cutlass455

There are two types of buyers for these rare cars. The Joe who would buy it and baby it and drive it to shows. And the collector who wants it to put it in there private collection and is willing to pay Barret Jackson bucks to get it. Let just hope Jay Leno didn't buy it.

Blk71SX

what he is passing as a VIN is actually the Fisher Body tag. does the car have a VIN plate at the base of the windshield? these numbers are not the same. the "pilot" designation might increase the value some, but he won't be able to retire from preceedes of the sale.


it relisted and sold for 18,500. someone had to have