1964 Oldsmobile Cutlass 442 Convertible 4-Speed for sale on BaT Auctions - ending December 31 (Lot #175,966) | Bring a Trailer



Bermuda Blue 3-Speed Convertible would've been a sweet ride. When were the first '64 4-4-2's assembled? April?

 

I know SO very little about ‘64 442’s.
Did Fremont even make them?
I know in 65 they did.

But did all the standard cutlass’s get the HD frame in 64?

 

Yes Fremont built 64 442s. Not a lot though.

 

There was one or some built in Oshawa, Canada.

 

Ironically, that Canadian-built car is also the earliest documented 1964 442 build date at 03A. Next earliest is a Fremont car at 03D.

Also, what's wrong with this picture?

 

Where's the boxed lower control arms and sway bar?

 

They were never there

 

Hi,

Most GM performance cars back then got a Ford 3 speed toploader aka Dearborn 3speed. That transmission shown is a standard one found on cars equipped with 3 on the tree. Same GM trans in base model cars throughout the 50's and 60's.

Regards,,
Jim

 

Need’s everything, what the heck is that contraption in the trunk?

 

The Phord toploader 3 speed wasn't introduced until 1965 and ended with the 69 model year. All 64 442's were 4 speeds. The 65 & 66 442's were available with a column shift but was discontinued for the 67 model year.

 

February 5th 1965

 

Mid year option. Did the early 65's have the dual bolt pattern bellhousing or was it introduced with the toploader?

 

You fellas could learn a lot from the seller.

KylePollock (The Seller)
"In 1964 the “442” was a mid-year option. I have had a conversation with the original owner. This car was ordered with a 3-speed and A/C. It came with the 442 badging on the car.the build sheet would say B09 option, I have the build sheet number if any one has access the archive that will prove it. It’s a 1 of 436 made with 442 badging from the factory."

"This car came out mid-year to compete with the Tempest GTO. Olds made 442s this half year with all types of transmissions."

Seller also said that the (Christmas tree) setup in the trunk is a pump/filter.

 

Like how to lie convincingly?

 

I don't think many folks here are going to drink the 3-speed Cool Aide. Never happened.

 

Did the seller say why this Faux-Four-Two is missing the mandatory rear sway bar? And FYI, there were exactly 2,999 real 442s built in the 1964 model year, every single one of them with the rear bar and a four speed. You could learn a lot from factory Oldsmobile documentation... The three speed manual WAS available in the 1965 cars (even with column shift) but not in the 1964 cars.

 

I’m surprised a car like that is on BaT.

 

Kind of reminds me of the green and black 64 Faux Four Two with the 10D build date and the "pilot car" story. Also the yellow convertible with the "special order" automatic. Of course neither one of those had a scrap of proof either...

 

You fellas are sure lighting up BaT! Good work! BaT has become one of my go-to's for cars for sale.

bringatrailer

"We appreciate all the knowledgeable commenters speaking up here — it’s one of the things that makes BaT great. Our intention is always to present cars as accurately as possible with the available facts. In this particular case we’re communicating with the seller regarding additional documentation and will update the listing if needed.

–BaT"

 

So are you saying you appreciate CO membership posting on BAT in order to call bullshit on a bogus car?

 

Absolutely! Although this one is as easy as they come. Seller is an interesting lot, too.

 

Apologies. I somehow got the mistaken impression that you were supporting the authenticity of the car.

Carry on.

 

bringatrailer
"The listing has been updated to reflect that the vehicle is a Cutlass convertible model. Thanks to the community for the additional context!"

 

Reserve not met on 12/31/24 at $15,964

 

I'm sure the reserve is set based on the assumption that it's a real 442. Likely the seller bought it assuming it was real and paid accordingly.

 

Wow, that bid was sky high considering condition.

 

I was gonna say ... guy was deep in denial not to have taken it.

 

Did car sell?

 

Reserve not met at $15K

 

I agree with DC2x4DrVR- should have punted.

 

It's back, this time at No Reserve: No Reserve: 1964 Oldsmobile F-85 Cutlass Convertible 4-Speed for sale on BaT Auctions - ending July 2 (Lot #198,787) | Bring a Trailer Bid to $15,964 Dec-2024 (1964 Oldsmobile Cutlass Convertible 4-Speed for sale on BaT Auctions - closed on December 31, 2024 (Lot #175,966) | Bring a Trailer), about what it's worth.

I must give the seller props for persistence: KylePollock (The Seller) "This car is a custom order car, what’s known as a B09 build 442. Air conditioner and factory 3 speed. I could not read the build sheet (mold)." And "This car was badged 442 from the factory."