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Old Jun 13, 2023 | 09:06 AM
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I wonder if you should change the title of this thread. As it stands, it's not very fair to Mark, who has taken great pains to do the right thing.
I edited out the BAD part of the title. Clearly Mark has stepped up to make things right with this customer.
Old Jun 13, 2023 | 10:16 AM
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I edited out the BAD part of the title. Clearly Mark has stepped up to make things right with this customer.
Perfect!
Old Jun 13, 2023 | 12:48 PM
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Again thank you all for your support and positive feedback. I really do take it to heart.

But excuse me if I don't go dancing in the streets. He essentially accepted what was my initial offer from about a week ago. BUT in the meantime trashed me repeatedly on here and social media. That won't go away overnight.

Thanks again guys.

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Old Jun 13, 2023 | 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by deadeyejedi
That is more than a fair offer from Mark given the circumstances here. I have a question regarding the carb change. If the newly installed carb was running very lean wouldn't the motor have started pinging?or is this not always the case?i don't have a wideband to tune my quadrajets so its all by ear and feel (and sometimes smell).I would always want to be a bit on the rich side.
Maybe, but if it goes lean enough it'll just do damage almost immediately. I have 2 widebands and 8 EGT's on my dyno headers so I see the spike(s) right away.
Remember, no matter what I did to it, I couldn't get an adequate fuel supply. And Custom Carbs in NJ only checks to make sure all circuits are working. They can't flow, by volume, ANY carb.
And the guy at Custom Carbs said "send it in we'll take another look at it". I said "what are you going to do differently than the last time you had it?" "Well not sure".
Isn't that definition of insanity, doing the same thing over and over but expecting different results?

I'm just glad I don't do many of these anymore.

Thanks.

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Old Jun 13, 2023 | 05:49 PM
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I apologize to everyone for the length of this post. But I would read if I were you.
I had to find a few people to help me put the engine in and that took me another 3 to 4 months because I am not a mechanic.

We finally got the engine in and got the car running somewhere in the second or third month of 2023. Once I got the car running I noticed that there was leaking coming from the back of the motor, and I found out that one of the freeze plugs had gone bad. Now keep in mind I hadn’t driven my car more than a couple of times in this time period. I called my builder Mark Remmel from newoldsperformance.com and he told me “ this is why I don’t like working on these older engines “, even though this is what he does for a living. So after spending many hours, trying to figure out what to do I finally sent the car out to have it fixed, and Mark Remmel from newoldsperformance.com begrudgingly paid me for the fix
Well, then he had been standing behind the engine.

In the meantime, I had sent my carburetor out to be rebuilt by a very reputable Carberator builder name, Phil, who owns Custom Carberator in New Jersey. I receive the carburetor back and finally put the carburetor back on and drove the vehicle for about 300 to 500 miles over a couple of months period.  I noticed that I was not getting as much power as I thought I should, being that I was told that the motor was pushing somewhere around 430 hp. I called up a friend and he came and timed my car up for me, and we found out that the quads were not opening up when I got on the car.
So, a minor carburetor problem if the A/F ratio was being fed to the engine.

He noticed that the car was skipping and said you should check into that. I took the car out the next day and all of a sudden my car shut off like it was flooded. I brought my 442 to a reputable shop locally and found out that after some diagnostic time, that the valve had bent and hit the pistons. I had called my builder, Mark Remmel from newoldsperformance.com in Florida and discussed this with him, and he said “ my machinist has done thousands of these heads and has never had a problem with the filler that we put in and that it must’ve been because you put a different carburetor on the car and went on to tell me this…
“I’m not going to chip in for new heads if that’s what you’re asking. I might help a bit to try and fix those but otherwise no. That filler got hotter than normal for some reason. That’s what made it shrink, and therefore get loose.
That would’ve shown up on the Dyno if things weren’t correct in the first place. However, we both know it didn’t until now. I’m going to go back to my original thoughts, your carburetor, I believe goes dead, lean in certain areas, therefore generating more heat and shrinking that filler.” If that was a possible issue, I would’ve never thought that his head builder would ever put a filler in that could possibly shrink and damage my motor. 
I wonder what your EGT's were. I suspect it got hot enough to melt the material.

I’ve driven my car, roughly 500 miles with this rebuilt Rochester carburetor and was told by my “ engine builder” that I didn’t have the carburetor rebuilt correctly to the specs of the engine and the prior carburetor he first dyno’d the car with, even though I sent the the carburetor rebuilder all the specs of the engine that Mark Remmel had given me .
The "rebuilt carburetor" was metering fuel and air correctly ?

And so my discussion is tonight, the valve in my heads bent because the filler heated up and caused my valve to stick, causing an internal problem with my engine that I spent almost $5000 over the original quote which I never complained about.
I am betting there were "add on" items after the original quote. You do realize that extra things cost extra cash ?

My builder, Mark Remmel who owns newoldsperformance.com has basically said to me well, I guess I would help you if you wanna rebuild these heads a little bit, but after talking to his machinist, I don’t think we have any responsibility to this. Obviously, I do not trust his machinist to touch the old heads again after doing a terrible job to begin with, and my machinist has told me that these heads are now crap.
He is wrong, but you'll find that out. And when you find out, will you still trust him as "reputable" ?

So now I am putting in Aluminum Edelbrock heads and having to pay roughly 5 to $6000 between parts and labor to another shop to redo an engine that I have had roughly driven 5 to 800 miles. Is he responsible because I changed the carburetor to a different Carberator, maybe not, and maybe that’s true . Did I have this problem because I changed carburetors, I doubt it very much. I have talked to dozens of engine builders, machine, shops, and people in our Oldsmobile community, and not one of them has yet to say to me yes , because you put the new carburetor on , that this caused this issue.
Would "defective carburetor" change your analyzation and thought process ?

So here I am, for all you people who know me, stuck once again, not able to drive my car for another two months or so because my builder won’t man up to covering anything except “ maybe” trying to fix my damaged heads. It is obvious that after Mr Remmel was not even able to put a freeze plug in correctly, that I hired the wrong person. Now when asking him to help me, his answer is well I guess I’ll help you if you want to try to repair the old heads, which are now junk and my machine shop said were junk.
Hang on to your shorts, you have found a "reputable shop". I wouldn't trust them to do a valve job on a Briggs & Stratton ! ! ! !

That being said, I spent $2200 for HIS machine shop to correctly fix the heads that were on my car. My car has never yet gone over 190° and over 5,000 rpm’s in that time frame and there should’ve been no reason why the filler should have failed and caused this engine failure.
And your EGT's were what ?

I have yet to pull the engine out of my car to find out if my pistons or any other part of my new engine are damaged or my cylinders are damaged. But at this moment it seems like I am stuck with the whole bill, and with an engine builder who is at best mediocre. Maybe I am wrong for putting this post up, but after all these years of trying to get this car, running perfect, and deciding to put big money into this engine, I thought I had the right builder. Unfortunately, this builder does not stand behind his work, DOES stand behind his machine shop, and does not care about his reputation whatsoever, except to make excuses, and tell me why it is my fault only. I can only imagine the damage that my engine has taken from this and I am not looking for anything from this builder at this point, because I don’t trust that he would do anything at all to help me.
We now know that Mark made a more than fair offer to rectify damage to heads that your "reputable machinist" declared as crap or junk.

Once again, I am only trying to warn people to be careful when hiring people who are supposedly reputable.
Explain to me how you determine "reputable" ?

I now have to take money from an account that I do not have and have to deal with the consequences of my decisions by having this company build my motor. Shame on me and
Never fear, you are 1 for 3. Your "local reputable machinist" and "reputable carburetor rebuilder" are two strikes.
......Just my two cents worth.
Old Jun 14, 2023 | 06:14 PM
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Mark,
I believe you went above and beyond to help this guy out!!
Old Jun 15, 2023 | 07:28 AM
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Who has the heads now?
Old Jun 16, 2023 | 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by CANADIANOLDS
Who has the heads now?
i will let steve say who the builder is who has his heads
i will say he is one of the premier Olds engine builders in the country.
i guarantee you not a half a dozen posters on this site have even heard of him.
the short block is being removed for inspection as well since completing inspection of the heads.
the heads are pretty much trash.
Old Jun 16, 2023 | 09:10 AM
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He so good, ain't nobody ever heard of him? That's some funny stuff right there! GTFOH
Old Jun 16, 2023 | 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by vincetan
i will let steve say who the builder is who has his heads
i will say he is one of the premier Olds engine builders in the country.
i guarantee you not a half a dozen posters on this site have even heard of him.
the short block is being removed for inspection as well since completing inspection of the heads.
the heads are pretty much trash.
Who are you?
Old Jun 16, 2023 | 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by fleming442
He so good, ain't nobody ever heard of him? That's some funny stuff right there! GTFOH
u know who it is.trovato has seen the heads as well.
I meant from this board.no real engine builders on here
Old Jun 16, 2023 | 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by vincetan
I meant from this board...no real engine builders on here
Oooh ... with a grand total of six posts under your belt you come on here and start shoveling that **** around?
Old Jun 16, 2023 | 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by BangScreech4-4-2
Oooh ... with a grand total of six posts under your belt you come on here and start shoveling that **** around?
in my posts I stated facts
you've got over 3600 facts stating what
Old Jun 16, 2023 | 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by vincetan
in my posts I stated facts
you've got over 3600 facts stating what
Well, I've got at least one that states the fact that you're a troll.
Old Jun 16, 2023 | 12:39 PM
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Old Jun 16, 2023 | 01:02 PM
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I stated facts
feel free to refute them
Old Jun 16, 2023 | 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by vincetan
i will let steve say who the builder is who has his heads
i will say he is one of the premier Olds engine builders in the country.
i guarantee you not a half a dozen posters on this site have even heard of him.
the short block is being removed for inspection as well since completing inspection of the heads.
the heads are pretty much trash.
Tester? 😉

and yes., I would also go through the short block…

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Old Jun 16, 2023 | 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by BangScreech4-4-2
Oooh ... with a grand total of six posts under your belt you come on here and start shoveling that **** around?
At what post number can someone be considered worthy on here?

Old Jun 16, 2023 | 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by BangScreech4-4-2
Well, I've got at least one that states the fact that you're a troll.
it would be a good idea if you stopped talking, and starting listening.
Old Jun 16, 2023 | 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by CANADIANOLDS
At what post number can someone be considered worthy on here?
That all depends on who you support as our Chief Resident Engine Expert.
Old Jun 16, 2023 | 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by BangScreech4-4-2
Oooh ... with a grand total of six posts under your belt you come on here and start shoveling that **** around?
Post count does not equal intelligence...
Old Jun 16, 2023 | 04:51 PM
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Let’s keep this civil
Old Jun 16, 2023 | 06:53 PM
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I’d like to thank all who PM’d me and supported me on this. It’s both humbling and gratifying to see the support I’ve received. Again I thank each and everyone of you for taking the time to absorb and consider all the facts.
In addition, if any of you have ever spoken with me one on one, you know that I spend copious amounts of time explaining the why and how of these things and how they work. I did the same with gentleman as well. Unfortunately for all involved, he chose not to heed my advice.
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You are a true asset to the Oldsmobile community. I have learned so much from your posts.

Eric
Old Jun 17, 2023 | 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by olds70supreme
bccan nailed my thoughts while I was typing them.

I don't have a dog in this fight. I've bought parts from Mark in the past without issue, and I know that many others have as well but that doesn't mean that there couldn't be a problem with work that he has been involved in. While the format and syntax of the OP's post are annoying that also doesn't affect the possibility that something had gone wrong. It seems that certainly something has gone wrong, and the only question is to "why?". With what is known at this point the reality is that I don't have the knowledge to be able to make a qualified judgement on why and/or assign blame with, and my layman's guess is that at least 95% of the members of this site don't either.

This wouldn't stick out to me one way or the other but years ago on ROP a similar response was given to a gentleman overseas who had put big $$ down for new heads and ended up getting stiffed by a guy (don't remember his name, was from the center of the US, Nebraska maybe?). Initially he got raked over the coals with "I've used Vendor for years and know him well, blah blah blah...". In the end it came out that the vendor had screwed him and others over.

For years Savitske Classics and Customs was a go-to place for performance suspension, with lots of satisfied customers...until he wasn't. Lots of info on that situation, just google it. Likewise, Mondello Performance Products had a sterling reputation for decades...until it didn't. I'm glad to see posts like this - more information is always better, and I would rather have the opportunity to review it and make a decision on who to do business with rather than have information suppressed. I hope a bunch of people without actual firsthand knowledge of the situation don't end up taking pot shots at the OP because that will discourage others in the future from sharing info.

FWIW, one post like this wouldn't discourage me from buying from Mark again in the future if he had something I needed.
the guy in nebraska is terry fritsch he ripped several people off and is still posting on facebook like he did nothing wrong
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Old Jun 17, 2023 | 03:50 PM
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I stated facts
feel free to refute them
Yep, let’s go there.
Fact, are the heads suspect? Maybe.
But here are a bunch of other significant facts that some, have either chosen to overlook, or simply don’t have an answer for.
Fact, when I Dyno my builds they get a 15-20 minute beak in period which consists of a load of 40-45lbft at 2500 rpm or so, constant for 10 min or so, then I alternate load and no load.
From there I’ll relash valves or whatever, recheck timing etc.
This engine was fired with my buddys ‘70 TA Qjet that we knew was good. Once the break in was complete we put Steve’s Qjet on it. I had to abort multiple pulls as the air fuels went into the 17.1 range. After making MAJOR jet and rod changes to his carb, the best I could get was about 15.1, again after aborted pulls. I called him and told him what was going on. He overnighted me a friends carb, Tim. It was decent out of the box so I went forward with it, doing 10-12 pulls for timing, jet, and exhaust changes. It then came off the dyno and was shipped.
I’ve already documented what happened next when he sent his, questionable carb, to Custom carbs in NJ.
So, why didn’t ANY of this happen during break in, and multiple pulls on the dyno? Don't you think if the guides were tight etc., at least one would’ve hung? They didn’t cuz the EGT’s and air/ fuels were correct.
And here’s the kicker guys. I spoke with Steve on Thursday. He informed me he was now going to use the dyno/Tim’s carb moving forward. Really? So if you had so much confidence that the carb wasn’t a contributing factor at all, then why change it?
However you look at it, I’m paying the price for this, one way or another.
You all bicker amongst yourselves, I’m done here.

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Old Jun 17, 2023 | 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by cutlassefi
Yep, let’s go there.
Fact, are the heads suspect? Maybe.
But here are a bunch of other significant facts that some, have either chosen to overlook, or simply don’t have an answer for.
Fact, when I Dyno my builds they get a 15-20 minute beak in period which consists of a load of 40-45lbft at 2500 rpm or so, constant for 10 min or so, then I alternate load and no load.
From there I’ll relash valves or whatever, recheck timing etc.
This engine was fired with my buddys ‘70 TA Qjet that we knew was good. Once the break in was complete we put Steve’s Qjet on it. I had to abort multiple pulls as the air fuels went into the 17.1 range. After making MAJOR jet and rod changes to his carb, the best I could get was about 15.1, again after aborted pulls. I called him and told him what was going on. He overnighted me a friends carb, Tim. It was decent out of the box so I went forward with it, doing 10-12 pulls for timing, jet, and exhaust changes. It then came off the dyno and was shipped.
I’ve already documented what happened next when he sent his, questionable carb, to Custom carbs in NJ.
So, why didn’t ANY of this happen during break in, and multiple pulls on the dyno? Don't you think if the guides were tight etc., at least one would’ve hung? They didn’t cuz the EGT’s and air/ fuels were correct.
And here’s the kicker guys. I spoke with Steve on Thursday. He informed me he was now going to use the dyno/Tim’s carb moving forward. Really? So if you had so much confidence that the carb wasn’t a contributing factor at all, then why change it?
However you look at it, I’m paying the price for this, one way or another.
You all bicker amongst yourselves, I’m done here.
you paying the price,?
are you serious?
so youre giving steve his 14k back for a 400hp 455,?
​​​​​i didnt think so

Old Jun 17, 2023 | 07:19 PM
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Mark you've went beyond.

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Old Jun 17, 2023 | 07:30 PM
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That engine already went south before it left the shop at 14k for 400 HP.
Old Jun 18, 2023 | 05:33 AM
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Originally Posted by vincetan
you paying the price,?
are you serious?
so youre giving steve his 14k back for a 400hp 455,?
​​​​​i didn't think so
You don’t know all the details, nobody on here does. But here’s what I will tell you. Unlike what I’m doing with/for Steve, Champion Race heads isn’t doing anything for me or anybody to help rectify things. I’m absorbing all of that. That’s the end of it.

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Old Jun 18, 2023 | 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by cutlassefi
You don’t know all the details, nobody on here does. But here’s what I will tell you. Unlike what I’m doing with/for Steve, Champion Race heads isn’t doing anything for me or anybody to help rectify things. I’m absorbing all of that. That’s the end of it.
Steve absorbed a he'll of a lot more
Old Jun 18, 2023 | 11:34 AM
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Steve absorbed a he'll of a lot more
Sure, but is that Mark's fault?
Old Jun 18, 2023 | 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by BangScreech4-4-2
Sure, but is that Mark's fault?
uh yeah
Old Jun 18, 2023 | 04:36 PM
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uh yeah
Explain how. Show your work.
Old Jun 18, 2023 | 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by BangScreech4-4-2
Explain how. Show your work.
I don't have to show u anything.
I've talked to the parties involved the bottom line is Steve got hosed
You on the other hand know absolutely nothing yet u still babble
has remmel built an engine engine for u?I seriously doubt it.yet you lick his boots
I'm still trying to understand why uou even make a comment
Old Jun 18, 2023 | 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by vincetan
I don't have to show u anything.
I've talked to the parties involved the bottom line is Steve got hosed
You on the other hand know absolutely nothing yet u still babble
has remmel built an engine engine for u?I seriously doubt it.yet you lick his boots
I'm still trying to understand why uou even make a comment
You're the one who came on here out of nowhere and started making all these wild accusations. Time to back up your talk with some of those facts you're so famous for. Show us why you think Mark's such a shitty engine builder.

Until you do that we'll just have to write you off as another internet pipsqueak.
Old Jun 20, 2023 | 08:44 AM
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I have a question who's idea was it to fill the crossover on a street car? With so many having failures with this modification in the past. Why risk it ? I know that there are many that have not had an issue with this mod when done correctly, but there is always a level of risk when modifying parts. This is not the fist time filler material has melted. I remember that infamous shop in California zinc filler melting. What did the shop use to fill the crossover?


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Old Jun 20, 2023 | 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by vincetan
I don't have to show u anything.
I've talked to the parties involved the bottom line is Steve got hosed
You on the other hand know absolutely nothing yet u still babble
has remmel built an engine engine for u?I seriously doubt it.yet you lick his boots
I'm still trying to understand why uou even make a comment
Mr. Vince, running an engine so lean that the engine cuts out will definitely cause severe damage. Scored bores from burnt pistons and burnt valves are just a few of the things that could occur.. The exhaust valves always burn first which is what happened here. The valve gets so hot it burns the oil out of the guide and seizes. Also running lean will melt the aluminum filler in the cross over which is usually made from melted pistons. He is lucky he didn’t score the bores. It looks like the exhaust valves hung open and tapped the pistons. The pics I saw look like he can save the short block with a hone and new rings. There is no reason the heads can’t be repaired and reused. Mark had no control over the carb change so how can you blame him for this?
The only thing I think Mark could be liable for is the freeze plug which is debatable due to the age of the block but he took care of that.
Mark is going way past what he is liable for by offering to pay for the head damage. Champion Heads did my head work and it was top notch. A lot of shops won’t even port iron heads any more. Steve should consider himself lucky. He is responsible for the loss due to changing the carburetor even after he was told it was unable to be calibrated.

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Old Jun 20, 2023 | 05:32 PM
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If anything it was running rich.u don't get all that black running lean8
Old Jun 20, 2023 | 06:20 PM
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From: Vancouver BC
Originally Posted by Fpcopo
Mr. Vince, running an engine so lean that the engine cuts out will definitely cause severe damage. Scored bores from burnt pistons and burnt valves are just a few of the things that could occur.. The exhaust valves always burn first which is what happened here. The valve gets so hot it burns the oil out of the guide and seizes. Also running lean will melt the aluminum filler in the cross over which is usually made from melted pistons. He is lucky he didn’t score the bores. It looks like the exhaust valves hung open and tapped the pistons. The pics I saw look like he can save the short block with a hone and new rings. There is no reason the heads can’t be repaired and reused. Mark had no control over the carb change so how can you blame him for this?
The only thing I think Mark could be liable for is the freeze plug which is debatable due to the age of the block but he took care of that.
Mark is going way past what he is liable for by offering to pay for the head damage. Champion Heads did my head work and it was top notch. A lot of shops won’t even port iron heads any more. Steve should consider himself lucky. He is responsible for the loss due to changing the carburetor even after he was told it was unable to be calibrated.

Do you know for a fact that they used a piston? Melted crossover filler material was common at one time along with a host of other issues. Do you know what the exhaust vale guide clearance was set at for a fact?
I'm not blaming Mark! But I do question the wisdom of filling the cross over on a street engine.

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