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Old Aug 20, 2014 | 06:14 PM
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No fluid to wheel cylinder?

I'm bleeding the brakes after replacing all wheel cylinders and the master cylinder. I bench bled the master cylinder, and got fluid through to three wheels no problems.

But the left front isn't getting anything. Any suggestions on common problem areas or where I should check?
Old Aug 20, 2014 | 06:32 PM
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Did you happen to replace the flexible brake hoses, as well. Sometimes an issue.
Old Aug 20, 2014 | 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Jetstarjim
Did you happen to replace the flexible brake hoses, as well. Sometimes an issue.
No, didn't touch them. Time to crack some connections and see if there's fluid anywhere I guess.

I should add that the car has been in storage for years, and had nothing in the way of working brakes when I got it.
Old Aug 20, 2014 | 06:55 PM
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Take the bleeder valve all the way off.
A lot of times they are completely plugged
with gunk. A paper clip to run through the hole
will break the crap up, then you can bleed through it.
Old Aug 20, 2014 | 06:59 PM
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sometimes the pushrod length is different also between mastercylinders. a prob ive been noticing on a few posts. and if its getting to one front wheel, the other is in the same line as well, so it also should be getting pressure
Old Aug 20, 2014 | 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by tru-blue 442
Take the bleeder valve all the way off.
A lot of times they are completely plugged
with gunk. A paper clip to run through the hole
will break the crap up, then you can bleed through it.
Would that hold true with a new wheel cylinder, or is it more applicable to old ones? (I'll give it a shot anyhow)
Old Aug 20, 2014 | 07:50 PM
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No, not with a new one.
Are you using the old bleeder valve
from the old cylinder?
Old Aug 20, 2014 | 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by stan 65 cutlass
sometimes the pushrod length is different also between mastercylinders. a prob ive been noticing on a few posts.
I saw that as well, but I think the symptoms there was that there wasn't anything coming out. (I could be wrong!)

and if its getting to one front wheel, the other is in the same line as well, so it also should be getting pressure
My thoughts as well.

I used a vacuum bleeder at each wheel, so the pushrod length shouldn't be entering into the equation. The bleeder didn't suck any fluid down, although the vacuum dropped real slowly - like there's a blockage in the line. (Still have to check the rubber line) Pumping the pedal didn't force anything through either.
Old Aug 20, 2014 | 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by tru-blue 442
No, not with a new one.
Are you using the old bleeder valve
from the old cylinder?
No, the cylinders came with new valves.
Old Aug 20, 2014 | 07:55 PM
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Did you have fluid coming out
of the line when you pulled it off?
Also, was it real cruddy looking fluid?
Old Aug 20, 2014 | 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by tru-blue 442
Did you have fluid coming out
of the line when you pulled it off?
Also, was it real cruddy looking fluid?
I don't recall if any came out or not, definitely didn't gush out. All the old fluid looked pretty dark and nasty.
Old Aug 20, 2014 | 08:04 PM
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Sounds like there may be an obstruction
in the line then. You may try pulling the line
off, then have someone push the brake pedal
down slowly and push the crap out of the line.
While the pedal is still down, put your thumb
over the end, then they can let up, and then push down
again. This way you push the crap out without sucking
air back inside the line. It will be somewhat messy.
Suggest goggles, don't get that stuff in your eyes.
Old Aug 20, 2014 | 08:13 PM
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It sounds as though you've just been using a vacuum bleeder.
Have you had someone push the pedal yet?
I'd give that a try - have a helper pump up the pedal and then push it down as you open the bleeder.

- Eric
Old Aug 20, 2014 | 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by MDchanic
It sounds as though you've just been using a vacuum bleeder.
Have you had someone push the pedal yet?
I'd give that a try - have a helper pump up the pedal and then push it down as you open the bleeder.
- Eric
Helper helped.

I was able to bleed that wheel using the pedal pumping method. Test drive tomorrow. Thanks for all the suggestions!
Old Aug 21, 2014 | 06:41 AM
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great news, ill be watching for you
Old Aug 21, 2014 | 07:24 AM
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You're welcome!

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Old Aug 21, 2014 | 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by stan 65 cutlass
great news, ill be watching for you
Might have her down to Java World tonight barring any other problems. Planning on giving each wheel another bleed using the pump and hold method, then have to sort out the lack of turn signals!
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