Wide band A/F gauge ideal ratio at WOT

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Old April 2nd, 2013, 02:21 PM
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Wide band A/F gauge ideal ratio at WOT

Do I need to rejet my carb. I am running 15:1 @ WOT around 90mph.
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Yes to lean.
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Old April 2nd, 2013, 05:05 PM
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Holy crap, waaaay too lean. Should be around 12.5-12.8 for a good starting point.
What O2 are you using?
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Old April 2nd, 2013, 05:52 PM
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Wide band bosch o2 with a glow shift meter. I realize that glow shift is not that great but it is all I got.

Thinking I need a bigger fuel pump. Running stock. I think that is 80gpm?
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Carbs run on atmospheric pressure. The fuel pump just keeps the bowl full. I would first find out what your fuel pressure is throughout an acceleration run. You'd want it to stay between 5-7 the whole time. Volume is also a function but stock pumps have supplied enough gpm for most high performance cars for decades.
Is the fuel filter clogged or the fuel line? I've had two cars benefit greatly from blowing out the fuel lines, both were clogged. One was the blocked fuel line and a collapsed sock in the tank. The other, who knows but it worked well afterward. The inside of the carb could be dirty also. Is it a stock Rochester Quadrajet?
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Old April 2nd, 2013, 06:52 PM
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holley 750 DP. New fuel filter. I have a fuel pressure gauge but it is on the fuel rail.

If I move to a high GPM fuel pump it will cost $40. Might be worth trouble shooting that before replacing all the fuel lines?

Engine is about 420HP at the crank. C heads ported and a mild cam. Holley Street dominator manifold. Nothing too radical.

Car noses over at around 95mph. A/F spikes at that point.

Before that it runs great.
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Old April 2nd, 2013, 06:54 PM
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WOW, should only be at 15 for a split second at idle
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Things I'd check on a Holley:
Float levels, power valve (both of them since you have a double pumper), are you running an air cleaner?, make sure you check the pressure after the filter.
I'll probably think of more
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Question: Is it 15:1 throughout the run or does it spike at around 90 mph? What is the AFR during the run?
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It is at 14:1 - 15:1 at WOT. When I hit 90-95 the A/F spikes to the max of 20 and the car will nose over. I let off the gas and the car is back to normal.
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I'm going to rule out power valves because you're lean the whole run. Even if they had ruptured it would run rich at other times and you'd notice it. I'm thinking main jets. Go up at least two sizes front and rear and see what that does.
It does sound like you are running out of fuel in the bowl with the way you describe it nosing over. The jets are probably being uncovered in the rear bowl for sure. Set the floats and maybe even go a bit higher in the rear and see what happens. You may need jet extensions also.
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OK

So you dont think I need to upgrade my stock fuel pump?
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Old April 3rd, 2013, 12:15 PM
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You might but I would try the other stuff first. Like checking that fuel line first, then the carb. Are you running an air cleaner?
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yes. I have a K&N. I think it is 16 inches round
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I'm going to go with a fuel delivery issue of some kind. Any chance you can mount a fuel pressure gauge somewhere that's visible while running?
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Adding new fuel pump tomorrow. Carter 120GPH. If that does not work I will take my fuel pressure gauge off the fuel rail and run it where I can see it.
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Replacing the jets. The fuel pump did not help. I noticed the power valve is just a plug. No valve at least in the rear. I will check the front later. The jet size in the rear is 80. Maybe go to 82.
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I will have to look what jets i had when i ran a Holley but i know when i ran with no power valves i had to go 2 sizes up on the jets.
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Make sure the lines are clean and in good condition (no kinks or restricted area) the best fuel pump cant pull fuel through a junk line. Might also check the condition of the tank filter.
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OK. Front jets are 71 rear are 80. Front power valve is 6 and rear power valve is a plug.

I did notice the front bowl did not move free like it should. It was like it was hanging up on something or the bowl return spring was bad. This could be my problem.
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fuel pressure is steady at 4.5 at idle
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Originally Posted by 1971viking
fuel pressure is steady at 4.5 at idle
But that's not where the problem is right? It's at full throttle?
Idle pressure won't mean much.
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