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Old Oct 9, 2021 | 05:22 AM
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Pilot bearing or bushing?

I am having a crank drilled for a manual transmission. Should i stay with the factory size or is there a better alternative? My main concern is availability and quality. I don’t want to be in a position where I won’t be able to find a replacement years down the road.
Old Oct 9, 2021 | 06:57 AM
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I've used both the bearing and bushing. I know the factory used the bearing. But it appears to me the bushing would require less maintenance.
Old Oct 9, 2021 | 07:06 AM
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On one of the Chevy websites I frequent a lot of guys like the bushing better and claim the bearing will fail after a while. They are not expensive so buy and extra.
Old Oct 9, 2021 | 09:47 AM
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BCA7109 is the correct bearing.

That is what I use.
Old Mar 27, 2022 | 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by 2blu442
I've used both the bearing and bushing. I know the factory used the bearing. But it appears to me the bushing would require less maintenance.
Originally Posted by My442
BCA7109 is the correct bearing.

That is what I use.
That bearing is too large for my 455 crank. Do you have a solution for that other than having the bearing machined? Part number for the bushing?
Old Mar 28, 2022 | 07:47 AM
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X2 on bushing requiring less maintenance. If a no machining needed bushing is available I'd use that.

Good luck!!!
Old Mar 28, 2022 | 07:53 AM
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oletrux, are you changing from an automatic trans to a manual trans? If so, the Oldsmobile automatic transmission crankshaft must be at the least drilled deeper to accommodate the length of the manual transmission input shaft. The correct way, although more expensive, is to have a machine shop machine the crankshaft for the 7109 bearing as was done from the factory for manual shift applications. You can also buy a conversion bushing from some vendors such as https://dickmillerracing-com.3dcartstores.com. If using the bushing you must still drill the end of the crankshaft deeper for clearance of the manual trans input shaft as mentioned above. Using the search feature, you will find on this site the specifications for machining the crankshaft for the 7109 pilot bearing.
Old Mar 28, 2022 | 08:29 AM
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Wouldn't machining the crank for a pilot bearing make the crank unusable for an auto trans unless it is bushed back to original diameter? This might make a bushing a better choice.
Old Mar 28, 2022 | 09:29 AM
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Lot's of misinformation on this post.

Most Olds BB cranks were not drilled for manual transmissions.

If you want to convert to a manual, you have to do one of two things:
1. Install a conversion bearing which uses the recess for the torque converter nose. You will
have to either drill out clearance at the crank OR cut the transmission input shaft. The crankshaft is harder than diamonds to drill.

2. Using the Mondello Technical manual, have the crank drilled for a BCA7109 bearing, which is what the factory used.

You can drill the crank for a Chevy type bushing as well.

I went thru this whole effort after a conversion bearing install failed. Do it right the first time.

Old Mar 28, 2022 | 10:01 AM
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Thanks guys. This is an upgrade from my 403 to a 455. I've been down this road before so I'm familiar with the clearance issues. If my measurements are accurate, it's OK. The 5-speed uses a 1/4" spacer plate between the TKO and the bell housing to make room for the snout.
I am just looking for an easier way to get the pilot bearing to fit since redrilling the crank is not practical, at all. I'll take a look at that adapter bearing. Thanks again.

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Old Mar 28, 2022 | 11:30 AM
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Sugar, machining the crankshaft for a manual trans pilot bearing does not render it unusable with an automatic trans. It will still have clearance for the snout of the torque converter.
Old Mar 28, 2022 | 11:49 AM
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Wouldn't the machined crank be too large to center the converter?
Old Mar 28, 2022 | 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Sugar Bear
Wouldn't the machined crank be too large to center the converter?
No.



Old Mar 28, 2022 | 03:07 PM
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^^Holy Guacamole^^ You have some awesome historical engineering documentation.
Old Mar 28, 2022 | 08:32 PM
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Nice...thanks Joe!
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