whiskey runner

i was thinking of putting a 200r4 in my 64 f85 wagon, 330 2speed .. i am not sure about a few things like the flywheel and length differences.. has anyone already done one and could give me any tips...thanks..R.C.

joe_padavano

This has been covered here frequently. To recap, the 200-4R is the same overall length as your stock Jetaway. Original driveshaft fits fine. The stock flexplate works fine. The 200-4R rear mount is in the TH400 position, so you will need to move the crossmember back. You didn't say if your wagon is a flattop or a Vista. The flattop has an open channel frame, so simply slide the crossmember to the postion it needs to be in and drill new holes (the TH400 wasn't offered in the 64 cars, so the crossmember holes aren't pre-drilled). If you have a VC with the boxed frame, you'll need to weld an extension to the tabs that the crossmember bolts to so you can have enough material to drill new holes.

Naturally you'll not be able to access all four gears manually with your stock column shifter and there is no easy way to convert your stock column shift quadrant. You'll need to adapt a throttle valve cable to the carb. You'll need to come up with some sort of converter lockup system (toggle switch, home brew, or aftermarket kit). Be sure to add an aftermarket trans cooler, as the 200-4R is very sensitive to heat.

whiskey runner

thanks joe for the information.. i was mainly concerned with the 64 model flexplate having the right pattern for the t/c, and the overall length,.. and you answered that.. looks to be a easy swap compared to most . i guess for the lock-up control i would just wire it up to the 3-4 switch on the v/b. i guess they have that like on a early700r4. and make a throttle linkage for the t/v cable. i have several font yokes in case the spline count and size are different on the later trans. now all i need to do is convince my daughter that i need to dump the original trans ha ha ha ha

joe_padavano

They are not. The original driveshaft and yoke fits right in.

jag1886

https://classicoldsmobile.com/forums...5-cutlass.html

Here is a link I hope to when I installed a 2004R in my 65.

whiskey runner

thanks jag.. i can see already this swap will be breeze.. i have done a little custom work before.. check out my 6.2 turbo diesel into a 46 caddy swap.. now that had a few interesting fabricating issues..

http://s202.photobucket.com/user/rcp...****%20project

or my 46 camper build..
http://s202.photobucket.com/user/rcp...y%20for%20road

i like a challenge but this car my daughter is supposed to be building.. thats why i was looking for easy answers..

joe_padavano

I should add one more thing on the 200-4R swap. Due to the relocated crossmember, you'll need to change the forward and intermediate e-brake cables. Use the ones for a 1967 442 with the TH400. These are available at RockAuto.

whiskey runner

cool joe..thanks.. save me some time on digging thru my junk looking for the right one

joe_padavano

You never did mention if this is a flattop wagon or a VC. The flattop has the same 115" wheelbase as the 442, so the cables will be the same. The VC has a 120" wheelbase, so the intermediate cable is different.

whiskey runner

hi joe..the wagon i am working on right now is a flattop.. wish it was a vista cruiser .. i bought this car because it was identical to one i owned back in 71.. i am restoring it for my daughter she wants it because it is just like the first car she ever rode in..

jag1886

If you look at my attachment you see you don't need new cables just a slight reroute does the job.

joe_padavano

I'll give my standard response here. GM doesn't use different parts unless there's a really good reason. The cables need to work under the full range of manufacturing tolerances, brake wear, etc. You might be able to cobble something up, but why? The cables are relatively inexpensive and probably need replacement anyway.

whiskey runner

thanks for the idea jag.. i think i already seen that maybe in a post by you somewhere else..

so true joe..a few bucks spent now can make a big difference in the long run when working with these old cars..

jag1886

You might be able to cobble something up, but why?

Because we aren't all made of money like you must be. What I did worked better than the stock set up and it cost about $1.50 for a 2 foot of 1/4" rolled steel, only a totally **** Olds guy would ever be able to tell the difference. Thanks for the insult!

matt69olds

When I installed the TH400 in my car year (and years!) ago I was able to use th factory TH350 parking brake cables with a extra set of the cable guides. I used the guides to take up the extra couple inches of cable slack. It was a free modification, I saved $1.50!

Ideally, the proper cables should be installed. Unless the car had a manual trans chances are the parking brake probably was used very little. The cables are probably rusted and wouldn't release the brakes. If replacement was needed obviously replace them with the correct parts.

joe_padavano

The correct front cable is $24 at RockAuto. The intermediate is $11. Frankly, if you can't afford $35 after spending $1700 on a properly built 200-4R, you're cutting corners in the wrong place. I'm all for making things work, but I also recognize that the factory engineers developed the different length cables for a reason. These have been tested under a wide variety of operating conditions and brake wear conditions, which I doubt you did with your home-brewed solution. Cobbling something up may work fine 99% of the time, but what happens when you absolutely need it because your hydraulic brakes blew a line?

jag1886

I bow to your superior intelligence oh mighty one.

whiskey runner

i got my 200r4 .. i hope it is a good one.. come from a low mileage mid 80's olds i think he said it was a 442.. but anyway i am hoping to just put it in with just a filter and seals change.. i have a picture of the tag i think it is the one i was told to look for..
i also picked up a engine looks to be a good one.. and it matches the car since it is a 64 330
link.. http://s202.photobucket.com/user/rcp...20olds%20wagon
michellescar025.jpg

whiskey runner

well i am moving along on my daughter's 64 f85 wagon build.. i have good kz-f trans a rebuilt 330 4bbl. engine and a new 1406 eldelbrock carb, and spacer.. now i need to get a TV cable for it. i would usually build something myself but may be faster and cheaper in the long run to buy one already calibrated for my application. i was reading a post somewhere about a kit that had the brackets, throttle leaver and cable together in one kit but somehow lost the link. do any of ya'll have experience with those kits and if so which one would be best for my project.

whiskey runner

i was also thinking that since i am not going to use the original jet away trans that came with my new engine.. what would a rebuilt jetaway trans with the 4jet carb and wiring be worth? it looks great and the fluid in it is extremely clean and red.. i could sure use the extra cah for the project

1970-W30

Google Bowtie Overdrives, they sell TV cable kits.......

whiskey runner

thanks 1970-w30 that is the site i was looking at before.. i seen a few things i may get from them..now if i can just come up with $250... ...

jag1886

Bowtie Overdrives is where I got mine, worked perfect.