Toocool

Don't kick me but I'm considering a swap to a 350 Chevy in my Vista Cruiser. My 330 HC uses a little oil and is really sluggish, I've tuned it and just finally realized that is all I'm going to get out of it without major work, I know the car is heavy and don't expect a race car but I just want a little more out of it. Before I do anything drastic I will change the rear gear to a 3.08. Anyway, the engine needs a little work either way. I have several 350 Chevy engines sitting here in my shop ready to go, my biggest expense will be rebuilding a Chevy turbo 400 trans to go with the engine, although I do have a good turbo 350 here. If I do the swap it will be "long term temporary" with the plan to rebuild the 330 and reinstall it at a later date. I have pulleys and brackets to make everything work except for the a/c and will be using Chevelle headers that I already have.
I'm just thinking here, trying to decide what I want to do. Any thoughts on it??

ctosiflying

If you have the Chevy engine; Use it. It only makes sense. I would go Olds in the long term like you said.

Sugar Bear

I'd keep it original...just my $.02...but if pulling the 330 out consider doing a leakdown test first so you know what is going on inside the motor and fog it heavily for storage so it doe not seize while sitting. The 330HC should be a decent performer, has it been confirmed that the balancer timing marks have not slid and that the timing chain isn't badly stretched.

The turbo 350 would be my choice vs. the 400 unless towing a lot or the SBC is a strong non-factory engine. The 400 weighs more.

joe_padavano

Your biggest expense will be all the nickel and dime stuff that no one ever keeps track of in a swap like this. Motor mounts, exhaust, radiator, accessory brackets, throttle linkage, hoses, wiring, etc, etc. A "free" motor isn't free.


An Olds 350 or 403 is a direct bolt-in and likely lowest cost if you are honest about all the ancillary costs and your time.


As for the TH400, be aware that the Vista has a boxed frame like a convertible. The trans crossmember attaches to welded-on tabs. These tabs do not extend far enough rearward to simply slide the crossmember back - you need to weld on extensions the way the factory did in 1967 when the TH400 was first offered in the Vista. Of course that also means a custom driveshaft and a new front yoke. FYI, the long wheelbase Vista used a long tailshaft TH400 like those in the full size cars, not the short tailshaft like other A-body cars. Also, since the crossmember has to move, you need to change the front and intermediate e-brake cables. You would need to get the ones for a 1967 Vista with TH400.


How's that "free" motor looking now?

joe_padavano

Actually, let me correct something I wrote. For some reason I was thinking your Vista was older than 67, but now I think yours is a 67, right? In that case the tabs for the trans crossmemeber are already there.



In any case, your biggest problem is the 1.76:1 first gear in the Jetaway. Simply swapping to a TH350, with the 2.52 first, or the 200-4R, with the 2.74 first, will make a dramatic improvement off the line. Standard rear axle ratio in the 67 Vista was 3.08. With the Jetaway, that's an effective ratio of 5.42:1 in first gear. With a TH350 and the same 3.08s, you get a effective 7.76 in first. With the 200-4R it's 8.44.

Toocool

Joe, my Vista is a 67 and already has a Turbo 400 in it, as far as all the bracketry, I have most if not all here already. I have been a Chevy guy all my life and have built many Chevy cars and have collected quite a stock pile of parts, but like you say I will need a few things. I didn't realize the Turbo 400 in my car would be the long tailshaft style. The radiator that I have will work, it is an aftermarket aluminum. With all that being said I would really rather find a nice Olds 350 and just drop it in but Oldsmobile engines are a little scarce, although I really haven't looked real hard.
What year Olds 350's would be a direct drop in?
Thanks, I really respect your opinion.

joe_padavano

All of them. Every single small block Olds from 1964-1990 is externally identical. The only difference is the crank flange bolt pattern. The 1964-67 motors require a different flywheel than do the 1968-1990 motors. Diameter and tooth count is the same, however, so there is no issue with starter type.

oldcutlass

Going from a 330 to a relatively stock 350 would not net any additional joy in my opinion. Going to a BBO (pretty much a drop in) or a BBC (same amount of work as an SBC) will put a smile on your face and a skip in your walk.

Toocool

The only reason I didnt want to do a BBO is because of all the trouble I had getting the right combination of pulleys, brackets and water pump on this engine (thanks again guys), I don't know if all these parts will work on a big block. Maybe I need to consider a big block??

OLDSter Ralph

I wonder if you are comparing the "Get up and Go" of the Vista to the other two cars you have. You'll never really be happy unless to dump a 500 cu.in. Olds engine in.

lemoldsnut

I have a few great running low mile 330's I would sell for great deals to keep one original.

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olds 307 and 403

A couple of the brackets are different, depending where they sit and attach on the motor, due to the taller deck height. Otherwise they are a direct bolt on. Even a stock smog 455 will move the Vista much better.

svnt442

So long as you use the same water pump and use all of your pulleys that are on the 330, they will all line up on the BBO. However the brackets from the 330 might not work on a BBO. I'm unsure of that because I have always done swaps on 70 and later cars and they work on both SBO and BBO.

joe_padavano

I don't remember if the OP has the 1967 brackets or the 68-up brackets. The 1967 brackets are different for BBO and SBO. The 68-up will work on either.

87Brougham

If this isn't a daily driver and you have time to have the motor out of the car, and you have a good amount of tools, I suggest rebuild. I'm rebuilding my 350 right now and the reason is because I like keeping it Oldsmobile, as well as you get to kind of make it your own. I will warn you though just like probably a lot of other people, Oldsmobile is expensive. There are some parts where just because it is Oldsmobile, it is twice as expensive. So maybe don't go with the 330 if you keep it Oldsmobile and go with some larger Olds engine just so you aren't wasting money on horsepower and torque you won't get.
End all be all it is your car. The economic choice is 350 Chevy. The crafty and involved choice is 330 or other size Olds.

P.S. go with a modern 350 Chevy, or a pre 73 Oldsmobile.

EDIT: Sorry didn't read the whole thing. Considering your situation, no question about it, Yes go Chevy. Rebuild kits for transmissions are pretty cheap.

edzolz

If you do go with the Chitty engine, by all means try to install an LS series. You will have better economy, more power, and much better drivability. That in combination with the OD trans will make you much happier.

brownbomber77

I think this takes away his intent of "toss in and go". Haha. But this is exactly where my mind went when I saw it. It'll cost around $3,000 start to finish with engine, trans, exhaust, computer, converstion parts, fuel system.... I think that's it. You're right, though. In the end, it'll be like driving a modern car with decent fuel mileage, reliability, and driveability.

olds 307 and 403

He would need a 6L if he went LS, unless he put steep gearing in back, the 5.3 has no bottom end torque. Unless he has a Vortec headed 350 or aftermarket heads, roller cam etc, I see no advantage going sbc either.

jaunty75

Which means it won't be like driving a '67 Vista Cruiser. I'm not sure that's a good thing.


Besides, these cars weren't exactly unreliable back in the day. My father bought a '67 Vista Cruiser new that year, and he took the family all over the country in it, driving it from upstate New York to California once, Texas once, and Florida several times in addition to it being the daily driver my mother drove hauling us kids everywhere over the course of the four years we owned it. It never gave us any trouble with its 330 V-8 and 2-speed Jetaway. When it came time to trade it, he bought something even bigger, a '71 Custom Cruiser.

2blu442

Joe, he has the early style brackets. I remember his posts trying to find all the pieces and pulleys to go with them.

2blu442

Have you thought about changing the rear end gears? Many of these cars came with 2.56 and 2.78 ratio gears, great on the highway but not quick off the line. If you went with a 3.23 I think it would still be livable on the freeway, but be better off the line. If you'd consider an overdrive automatic like the 200R4 you could even go 3.90 for a much quicker response around town. Just another thought to consider. John

Toocool

Thanks guys for all your input. I am going to hold off for now. I am taking it on a long road trip in September, probably around 4000 miles total with some mountain, back roads and desert roads including much of Route 66. I just don't want any big issues on the road. I have put new tires, brakes, exhaust, water pump, radiator,fuel pump, carb, a/c, points, plugs, distributer cap, rotor and wires, and wheel bearings. Anything else that you can think of? The car looks great but was neglected mechanically .

Cutlass Fan

A stock 350 Chevy won't have any more jam than the 330 imho. Also the 400 tbh robs more hp than a 350 or 200r4