intake manifold swap - perf rpm or stock cast iron?

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Old November 24th, 2011 | 02:19 PM
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Red face intake manifold swap - perf rpm or stock cast iron?

Hi: currently running an edelbrock performer rpm intake on my '71 350. i have the eddie perf rpm camshaft in there now and yes its way to large for the streetable and daily driver application i want that has lots of low end torque. i'm switching to a much milder duration camshaft next spring (either comp cams or lunati voodoo). should i keep that eddie rpm intake or go back to my stock, cast iron one? compression is 8.5:1, running hooker long tubes and flow master delta flow 50's. have the option of either an edelbrock 600 cfm carb or my stock Qjet, i believe its 750 cfm. i have not touched the stock heads but might pull them to clean them up a bit.
Old November 24th, 2011 | 02:58 PM
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You can pick-up the power by just changing heads, and maybe advancing the cam.
You don't mention the rear gear - under 3 doesn't help a large cam, and a 2000 + torque convertor would help a bunch, too!!
Old November 24th, 2011 | 04:01 PM
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You can pick-up the power by just changing heads, and maybe advancing the cam.
You don't mention the rear gear - under 3 doesn't help a large cam, and a 2000 + torque convertor would help a bunch, too!!
What exactly would he change the heads to? He could mill the heads and raise Cr up a point where the cam would work better. I had that cam (214/224) in a 9 to 1 355 with mildly ported heads and ran 14.8s. Switched to a 210/216 Engle, ran 14.2, eventually 13.9.
Old November 24th, 2011 | 04:25 PM
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I always liked the RPM intake myself.
Old November 24th, 2011 | 05:21 PM
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gears are probably 2.7? or even as low as 2.5?, not really sure. yeah that came with those gears and heads was a waste of money, fell head first into that classic trap of "bigger is better". i've been doing my homework now and pretty sure i want to go with either comp or lunati's 256 duration, both of which are supposed to work with my stock converter. going to keep stock heads and gears. i just put a shift kit in and that got some of the low end performance back but only marginally. i'm learing of porting those heads, don;t want to remove any metal,just want to clean them up a bit. car is just used for daily driving or good runs out in the country, no racing at all. fuel economy went in the toilet when i put that edelbrock cam in.
Old November 24th, 2011 | 05:33 PM
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I have posted this a bunch of times,
http://www.realoldspower.com/phpBB2/...=performer+rpm
That same 9 to 1 355 was MUCH more responsive with the Performer and just a tad quicker.
Old November 24th, 2011 | 07:09 PM
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I agree with captjim. With 8.5 you need a smaller cam. Your current and future combo doesnt jive.
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Old November 25th, 2011 | 12:07 PM
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oh it definitely ain't jivin,that's for sure.
Old November 25th, 2011 | 12:15 PM
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thanks for that article,captjim. good reading. i'll try my new cam with the rpm manifold first and if i get a chance might put the stock one back on just to see. reason i'm asking is i thought the rpm was made to function at high rpm it might negate the low end torque i'll be getting with my new cam choice. it looks cool though so i definitely want to keep it if i can.
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Hey guys, just to update you. confirmed that the motor i have in my 71 is not original. it has #8 heads and the 73-6 intake. kind of bummed. Already got a line on some 7a heads, no idea what shape they're in. my new question, is there any performance difference between the 411880 intake and the ones originally put on a 71? still debating on whether to keep my RPM on or swap it out for the original seeing as i'm going with a milder cam and shooting for streetability and better mpg.
Old December 14th, 2011 | 01:24 PM
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let me know if you want to get rid of the rpm manifold.
Old December 14th, 2011 | 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by wcourt3010
Hey guys, just to update you. confirmed that the motor i have in my 71 is not original. it has #8 heads and the 73-6 intake. kind of bummed. Already got a line on some 7a heads, no idea what shape they're in. my new question, is there any performance difference between the 411880 intake and the ones originally put on a 71? still debating on whether to keep my RPM on or swap it out for the original seeing as i'm going with a milder cam and shooting for streetability and better mpg.
This actaully might not be a bad thing. If it is a 73 engine, it will have 14cc dish pistons vs 23 cc on the 71-72. Olds went back to a smaller dish with larger chamber in 73. So, get some early heads, mill a tad, good valve job, .028 gaskets, you are close to 9 to 1. Now you can run a little cam with the RPM and have a fun driver. Or don't mill, end up at 8.5, use a mild cam with stock intake and Q-jet. Or, mill the heads a bunch and bump Cr up tom 9.5 to 1. Of course this assumes the bottom end and rings are in good shape. The big disges in the 71-72 350s are killers, no way to work around them.
Old December 15th, 2011 | 08:35 AM
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okay, cool. something to think about. many thanks.
Old September 19th, 2012 | 05:24 AM
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update and a question. got the 7a heads and have had them cleaned up and a bit of porting done. question - are they identifical and interchangeable, can they gone on either side of the engine or is there a difference and one must go one one side and the other on the other side. If so how can you tell them apart? Putting them on this weekend, the #8's have already been removed.
Old September 19th, 2012 | 08:46 AM
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Olds heads are ambidextrous. Fit either side. Normally the head with the stamping on the pad is the passenger side but it doesn't really matter.
Old October 2nd, 2012 | 01:50 PM
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thanks for the info. the head swap went well. car has more power now and runs smoother and sounds meaner.
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