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Old Oct 15, 2013 | 12:07 PM
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72 350 rocket

can i take my 72 rocket engine and rebuild it into basically the same engine from 1970? the 350 from 1970 i see had over 300 hp. i have the 4bbl carb on it and duel exhaust.
Old Oct 15, 2013 | 01:05 PM
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Yes, or better.
Old Oct 15, 2013 | 01:16 PM
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Dont forget that between 1971 and 1972 the way Oldsmobile rated horsepower changed.

The standard 2bbl cutlass weighed in at 160HP in 1972 and had a significantly higher rating in 1971 for the exact same engine.

That being said, there's alot of guys on here that beefed up their 1972 350 blocks to pump out quite a bit of power. I plan on doing the same.
Old Oct 15, 2013 | 01:27 PM
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I bumped the compression in my '72 Rocket 350 from a measly 8.5:1 up to over 10:1...BIG difference. I agree with oldcutlass, you could probably do even better than a '70 350.
Old Oct 15, 2013 | 01:29 PM
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I bumped the compression in my '72 Rocket 350 from a measly 8.5:1 up to over 10:1...BIG difference. I agree with oldcutlass, you could probably do even better than a '70 350.
What were you other changes.

I was looking at some flat-top pistons today and gasket sets but i'm not sure where to start.
Old Oct 15, 2013 | 01:36 PM
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yeah I guess I was looking for some suggestions on what to do exactly. can any one list out some specs and brand of parts to use. 190hp isn't going to get it in that heavy beast.
Old Oct 15, 2013 | 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Tony72Cutlass'S'
What were you other changes.

I was looking at some flat-top pistons today and gasket sets but i'm not sure where to start.
I had machine shop do my work. I'd have to break out the paperwork but I know he did the .030" over, forged piston route. Heads are still wheezing 7A's but bottom end is pretty stout.
Old Oct 15, 2013 | 03:50 PM
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Flat tops are going to get you too much compression unless you want a a pretty large cam which leads to a set of headers which leads to a pretty large torque converter which leads to a pretty deep gear.
Just depends on what you really want the car to be and how much of a money pit you want to get started.
If you use a new set of stock pistons and spend your money on some blueprinting of the engine with a smaller cam you will still end up with an engine that makes that magic 300HP and it will still be gas friendly and will still get fair gas milage.
Just my opinion but I've been done this road to bigger isn't always better and it costs twice as much to do it twice.
Old Oct 15, 2013 | 04:06 PM
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Which pistons did you use? I know in 72 they were 24cc dish with much smaller in 1970.
Old Oct 15, 2013 | 04:20 PM
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I used the stock 7cc pistons witch netted just a little over 10-1 compression with the decking and head milling. That would be great if I wanted a large cam and headers but I don't, I use my car on the road (at least what I'm trying to do) and it pings on the road bad, I have a set of #8 heads at the shop being rebuilt now because that's the only reasonable way of getting the compression down in the 9 to 9.2 area I want it to be.
Your engine would be very easy to get to that same compression using stock parts with proper machine work.
Old Oct 15, 2013 | 05:34 PM
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Your engine would be very easy to get to that same compression using stock parts with proper machine work.
Not really, IMO. The problem is piston availability. Stock replacements are 24cc dish and 1.595 p/h. Even at zero deck and 60 cc chambers, cr is right at 9 to 1. It is too hard working around the dish. You could spend big $ for the Egge 14cc dish. In the long run, the old 400 SBC piston/rod combo is the most cost-effective route. An easier approach is to get Speed Pro flat tops, measure everything and get a "D" shaped dish milled into them.
Old Oct 15, 2013 | 06:08 PM
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Not really, IMO. The problem is piston availability. Stock replacements are 24cc dish and 1.595 p/h. Even at zero deck and 60 cc chambers, cr is right at 9 to 1. It is too hard working around the dish. You could spend big $ for the Egge 14cc dish. In the long run, the old 400 SBC piston/rod combo is the most cost-effective route. An easier approach is to get Speed Pro flat tops, measure everything and get a "D" shaped dish milled into them.
You are right the 14cc pistons are easier to work with. The EGGE pistons aren't that expensive, thats what I used. At least cheaper than buying a set of rods and pistons and I believe turning the crank to Chevy specs or buying a set of forged pistons and having them machined for a D shape, machine work is at least $70 an hour.
I'd always vote for a stock part over a custom built part for street use, but then we haven't heard what the OP want's from this car.
In MHO the OP needs to be talking with his machine shop about specifics.
Old Oct 15, 2013 | 06:12 PM
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I have a full set of .030 pistons 14cc cast units low miles. for sale just sayin.

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Old Oct 15, 2013 | 06:35 PM
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Have a look at this 350 motor ..http://realoldspower.prophpbb.com/topic2050.html
Old Oct 16, 2013 | 09:02 AM
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72 350

im looking to have more hp. I will probably drive a lot on the road, like not in the city either highway or just back roads. I deff don't want to be screaming down the high way. I basically just want what 1970 had.
Old Oct 16, 2013 | 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by bigmattg1
im looking to have more hp. I will probably drive a lot on the road, like not in the city either highway or just back roads. I deff don't want to be screaming down the high way. I basically just want what 1970 had.
I'd jump on that set of pistons Copper has and then just build the engine right with a small cam. Deck and bore the block, balance the assembly, rebuild the rods with a new set of rod bolts, rebuild the heads with a good valve job, do some porting if it's in the budget, there's a lot of HP in making your engine as close to perfect as you can afford. You don't need a lot of fancy parts for a street car just good machine work and a good plan, which you should be making with your machinist.
Old Nov 4, 2013 | 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by bigmattg1
im looking to have more hp. I will probably drive a lot on the road, like not in the city either highway or just back roads. I deff don't want to be screaming down the high way. I basically just want what 1970 had.
I have a nice 350 for sale out of a 1972 cutlass we'll built if you have any question please call are email 7708718367 are quentinnw2@yahoo.com thanks.
Old Nov 4, 2013 | 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by quentinnw2
I have a nice 350 for sale out of a 1972 cutlass we'll built if you have any question please call are email 7708718367 are quentinnw2@yahoo.com thanks.
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Old Nov 4, 2013 | 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by bigmattg1
im looking to have more hp. I will probably drive a lot on the road, like not in the city either highway or just back roads. I deff don't want to be screaming down the high way. I basically just want what 1970 had.
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Old Nov 21, 2016 | 08:23 PM
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u still have the 350 rocket ???
Old Nov 22, 2016 | 07:54 PM
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Dayum...3 years later...I wouldn't sit on it that long...ha. There are plenty of guys with engines on the forum, including me of course... You looking to rebuild or just something to drop in?
Old Nov 22, 2016 | 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by brownbomber77
Dayum...3 years later...I wouldn't sit on it that long...ha. There are plenty of guys with engines on the forum, including me of course... You looking to rebuild or just something to drop in?
direct message me
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