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Old Feb 7, 2021 | 01:57 PM
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307 won’t fire

I’ve had a lot of problems w this car since I bought it in October tryin to get it to run right.it’s a 84 olds 98 w a ccc 307. I’ve made a few other posts on here and the responses have been very helpful, but now this thing won’t run at all. I changed the fuel pump and I changed the plugs (with the gap set at 45.) and it ran once after I changed the plugs and since then it cranks but won’t fire. I changed the fuel pump again thinking I might have got a bad one and it cranks but won’t fire it has spark but I changed the ignition coil, cap, and rotor and it still won’t fire. What else could be keeping it from running? I sprayed starting fluid down the carb and it kinda sputter but won’t fire
Old Feb 7, 2021 | 02:12 PM
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How about you stop replacing parts and start troubleshooting. Do you have spark at the plugs when you crank it? Does fuel shoot out of the accelerator pump jets when you pump the throttle while looking down the carb? Those two things will tell you if the problem is fuel or ignition, for starters - without spending any money on parts.
Old Feb 7, 2021 | 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by joe_padavano
How about you stop replacing parts and start troubleshooting. Do you have spark at the plugs when you crank it? Does fuel shoot out of the accelerator pump jets when you pump the throttle while looking down the carb? Those two things will tell you if the problem is fuel or ignition, for starters - without spending any money on parts.
it has spark at the plug I put my spark tester on there, I haven’t had any one else around to push the pedal while I look down the carb. I did pop the line loose and crank the motor into a container and it is getting gas up to the carb
Old Feb 7, 2021 | 02:27 PM
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it has spark at the plug I put my spark tester on there,
So stop buying ignition parts.

I haven’t had any one else around to push the pedal while I look down the carb.
Simply look down the carb while moving the throttle arm on the carb with your hand.
Old Feb 7, 2021 | 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by joe_padavano
So stop buying ignition parts.

I figured I’d have to change em anyways bc they were damn near 40 years old

Simply look down the carb while moving the throttle arm on the carb with your hand.
I did that and I didn’t see any gas come outta there
Old Feb 7, 2021 | 02:38 PM
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How many miles on it? Distributor by chance loose, can you rotate it? Any backfiring through the carb?
Old Feb 7, 2021 | 02:42 PM
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I did that and I didn’t see any gas come outta there
So now figure out why - blocked fuel filter? Gummed up carb? Cracked rubber hose from the fuel tank to the hard line (so the pump is sucking air instead of fuel)?
And while replacing old parts is fine, I suggest waiting until you find the original problem, since the act of replacing parts can introduce whole new failure modes and compound the problem.
Old Feb 7, 2021 | 02:42 PM
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How many miles on it? Distributor by chance loose, can you rotate it? Any backfiring through the carb?
when I first got it and it ran, it would get sluggish up hill or at speeds above 45 so I checked the timing and it was good
distributor hasn’t moved
Old Feb 7, 2021 | 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by joe_padavano
So now figure out why - blocked fuel filter? Gummed up carb? Cracked rubber hose from the fuel tank to the hard line (so the pump is sucking air instead of fuel)?
And while replacing old parts is fine, I suggest waiting until you find the original problem, since the act of replacing parts can introduce whole new failure modes and compound the problem.
i changed the filter when I did the pump the first time and that was before it quit running all together
I dropped the gas tank and looked at the sock filter and changed the rubber lines between the tank and the hard lines
It’s getting gas from the pump to the carb so could that mean my carb is bad?
Old Feb 7, 2021 | 03:03 PM
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Next obstacle in the fuel line is the filter in the fuel inlet nut at the carb, even if you changed it that is more suspect than a carb problem.

How many miles on it?
Old Feb 7, 2021 | 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Sugar Bear
Next obstacle in the fuel line is the filter in the fuel inlet nut at the carb, even if you changed it that is more suspect than a carb problem.

How many miles on it?
It’s got about 110,000 miles
Old Feb 7, 2021 | 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Vintage Chief
Remove the fuel filter completely. With a flashlight, look into the carburetor where the fuel filter inlet mates to the carburetor - look for a mouse turd, apple seed, bat quano, lint, fuzz, sand, rubber, or any UFO - remove it if found. With no apparent obstructions, continue to hook up the fuel line to the carburetor WITHOUT the filter. Does fuel flow into the carburetor and you can visualize two streams of fuel entering the carburetor when you engage the throttle linkage?
alright that’s what I’m gonna do next
Old Feb 8, 2021 | 04:41 AM
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Do you have the check valve style of fuel filter in the carb? When you do pull the fuel filter, check to see if it has a check valve one end of it. That is the little check valve thingie that supposedly is there for 307s as an anti-drainback valve. It may be sticking causing some issues. Perhaps. IIRC, it's the type of fuel filter called out for all 307 applications.

ACDelco GF471 or equivalent is the check valve filter.

If you wish, find an older AC Delco GF441 or Wix 33048 filter. It fits the same, but should not have the check valve.

Or, it could be you do need the anti drainback feature which could cause what you may be experiencing. At least until the pump fills the bowl again.

Just an idea to check while you're in there.
Old Feb 8, 2021 | 05:18 AM
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Unless you are getting too much gas into the motor, starting fluid, carb cleaner or a shot of gas should run the motor momentarily. Being a computer advance distributor means as long as the pick up coil is good and unless the distributor moved a lot, spark timing should be right. It sounds carb related especially after going through the whole fuel system. Everyday Performance rebuilds the CCC carbs, don't trust the mass produced reman carbs.
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[QUOTE=69HO43;1317329]Do you have the check valve style of fuel filter in the carb? When you do pull the fuel filter, check to see if it has a check valve one end of it. That is the little check valve thingie that supposedly is there for 307s as an anti-drainback valve. It may be sticking causing some issues. Perhaps. IIRC, it's the type of fuel filter called out for all 307 applications.

ACDelco GF471 or equivalent is the check valve filter.

If you wish, find an older AC Delco GF441 or Wix 33048 filter. It fits the same, but should not have the check valve.

Or, it could be you do need the anti drainback feature which could cause what you may be experiencing. At least until the pump fills the bowl again.

Just an idea to check while you're in there.[/QUOTE

thats something to consider
I didn’t realize there was a check valve in the filter. I used a Fram filter I don’t remember the part number tho
Old Feb 13, 2021 | 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Vintage Chief
Fuel filter w/ check valve installed towards outboard of fuel filter housing (towards the fuel inlet line).



I replaced the filter w one that doesn’t have the check valve and she fired up
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