68/69 W cars did not come with disc brks,only drums and all manual.

Greg

 

Agreed. My eventual build will resemble that, to Joe's slight consternation, I am sure.

 

Don't get me wrong. I actually like the look of dog dish caps on steel wheels on this vintage car. I'm trying to find appropriate steel wheels for my 62 that can accept the dog dish caps I have (thus the other tread asking about Celica/Supra wheels ).

 

For what it's worth, here's the US-spec production numbers of a 1970 Plymouth Road Runner:

Deluxe wheelcovers: 6,831
Wire wheelcovers: 737
Chrome Styled wheels: 11,993
Rallye wheels: 13,390
Total US-spec RRs: 38,811

That leaves 5,923 with poverty caps.

 

So, in other words, a presumably similar group of buyers bought Road Runners with:

35% Rallye
31% Chrome Styled
18% Wheelcovers
15% Poverty
2% Wire

Interesting.

- Eric

 

I'll be there along with Patton. I'm bringing the Hurst - I didn't know you had one.

 

I thought you had two cars,the Hurst and the 70. I thought you said you were bringing two cars and I assumed it was those two. I think you won BOC with the 70 and it will go into the Seniors class and it falls into the same class as my car. If you're just bringing the Hurst and it hasn't won a BOC,then we won't be in the same class which is fine with me.

 

Yes...but it's like what Diego said...FWIW. A 1970 Road Runner is not the same as a 1969 Oldsmobile. There were a lot of wires on say 68-69 Cutlass. 1970 Olds Cutlass I don't remember seeing many wires. I don't remember seeing wires on 70 Road Runners, either. Wires were on the way out except for luxury cars. I was a teen working summers at the car wash. I wiped down a LOT of muscle cars from 1968-70. By 70, a lot more cars had factory mags. Probably because earlier mags were in the junkyard by then. In any event, "doggies" were very rare on muscle cars in general.

 

Some number crunching I did awhile back for 1970 442s:

The SS-I and SS-IIwheels were quite popular, with about 38% of production each. Only 11.4% of the cars received the plain steel wheels with dog dish hubcaps (though that is still considerably more than any of the other wheel trim options).

 

Dog dish/poverty caps are pretty popular in the Mopar crowd.

 

Agreed its a nice car and well bought....the green Olds at the start of this thread that is...

 

beautiful car. I really don't like green but that one is nice. Is there a kit you can buy that shows were all the stickers and labels go or is that one of the restoration tricks you need to learn? I seem to see a big tear on the end of the driver side upper door panel. Anyone else see that or is something else.

Mike

 

I wrote a big response but my computer crashed, so I'll keep it brief:

- Comparing a Cutlass to a RR is not an apples to apples thing.

- Just a theory, but wire wheels were big with sports cars, so while they may seem out of place on a muscle car, I believe the switch to luxury cars was not yet complete. I think they were much more popular in 1965 than 1970 (they seem so natural on a '65 4-4-2 ragtop).

- Our memories from back in the day are not infallible.

Anyway, here's rounded percentages through June 1970 on 4-4-2 wheel options:

N66 SSII: 38%
N95 wire wheelcover 2%
P01 14" wheel disc: 8%
P02 Deluxe wheel disc: 2%
P05 SSI: 38%

That totals 88%, which could suggest around 12% had poverty caps, unless I've made a mistake.

ADDENDUM : I see Brian also did this.

 

Did it sell? The ad just says auction ended with no buyer info.

 

I owned a March built 1969 W30 that was originally equipped with manual disk brakes with GM of Canada documentation verifing that it left the factory that way.

 

Yeah, we covered that back in Post 26 on page 1. It was a mid-year addition to the options.

 

That would be the only one I have ever seen or heard of with disc brks.

Greg

 

We had this discussion several years ago, and there was at least one other documented 69 W-30 with manual disk brakes from the factory.

 

I do like how Olds ran 2 different ralley wheels from 68-71, it gives a lot of options.

 

That car may be unique...but it is definitely BORING! Restored stuff is just so blah

 

No, CHEVY used "rally" wheels. Olds offered SuperStock I and SuperStock II/III wheels.

 

Yeah, I don't know why the guy doesn't just put an LS motor and a digital dash and chrome steering column in it. Spinners would look good, too.

 

Personally, I'd be more inclined to leave an F-85 Plain Jane over a Cutlass S. The purity is always appreciated on the right car.