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March 22nd, 2016, 11:14 AM
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Again...x2 what Joe says. What you see now and what you saw then are mostly 2 different things. You see many factory AM/FM's, tilts, safety sentinels, factory mags, etc. in mid to late 60 cars now. While those options did appear on the cars, they were not all that common during that time period. As far as the wheels go, back then "doggies" were pretty rare on the A bodys. It was wheel covers, wire wheel covers, and factory mags in that order.
March 22nd, 2016, 11:37 AM
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March 22nd, 2016, 12:11 PM
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For what it's worth, here's the US-spec production numbers of a 1970 Plymouth Road Runner:
Deluxe wheelcovers: 6,831
Wire wheelcovers: 737
Chrome Styled wheels: 11,993
Rallye wheels: 13,390
Total US-spec RRs: 38,811
That leaves 5,923 with poverty caps.
Deluxe wheelcovers: 6,831
Wire wheelcovers: 737
Chrome Styled wheels: 11,993
Rallye wheels: 13,390
Total US-spec RRs: 38,811
That leaves 5,923 with poverty caps.
March 22nd, 2016, 01:23 PM
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I talked to Jeff yesterday and he said he already told you about the car. He seems really excited about getting it. Anytime you can get a Buick guy to buy an Olds,it's a good day. I really appreciate the support and kind words about my car from you & he tried to buy it but it isn't for sale.
If you come to Kingsport with your car,I think we will be in the same class and as nice as your car is,not sure I can compete.
If you come to Kingsport with your car,I think we will be in the same class and as nice as your car is,not sure I can compete.I'll be there along with Patton. I'm bringing the Hurst - I didn't know you had one.
March 22nd, 2016, 02:43 PM
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March 22nd, 2016, 02:49 PM
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Yes...but it's like what Diego said...FWIW. A 1970 Road Runner is not the same as a 1969 Oldsmobile. There were a lot of wires on say 68-69 Cutlass. 1970 Olds Cutlass I don't remember seeing many wires. I don't remember seeing wires on 70 Road Runners, either. Wires were on the way out except for luxury cars. I was a teen working summers at the car wash. I wiped down a LOT of muscle cars from 1968-70. By 70, a lot more cars had factory mags. Probably because earlier mags were in the junkyard by then. In any event, "doggies" were very rare on muscle cars in general.
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March 22nd, 2016, 02:54 PM
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Some number crunching I did awhile back for 1970 442s:
The SS-I and SS-IIwheels were quite popular, with about 38% of production each. Only 11.4% of the cars received the plain steel wheels with dog dish hubcaps (though that is still considerably more than any of the other wheel trim options).
The SS-I and SS-IIwheels were quite popular, with about 38% of production each. Only 11.4% of the cars received the plain steel wheels with dog dish hubcaps (though that is still considerably more than any of the other wheel trim options).
March 22nd, 2016, 08:57 PM
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beautiful car. I really don't like green but that one is nice. Is there a kit you can buy that shows were all the stickers and labels go or is that one of the restoration tricks you need to learn? I seem to see a big tear on the end of the driver side upper door panel. Anyone else see that or is something else.
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March 23rd, 2016, 10:20 AM
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Yes...but it's like what Diego said...FWIW. A 1970 Road Runner is not the same as a 1969 Oldsmobile. There were a lot of wires on say 68-69 Cutlass. 1970 Olds Cutlass I don't remember seeing many wires. I don't remember seeing wires on 70 Road Runners, either. Wires were on the way out except for luxury cars. I was a teen working summers at the car wash. I wiped down a LOT of muscle cars from 1968-70. By 70, a lot more cars had factory mags. Probably because earlier mags were in the junkyard by then. In any event, "doggies" were very rare on muscle cars in general.
- Comparing a Cutlass to a RR is not an apples to apples thing.
- Just a theory, but wire wheels were big with sports cars, so while they may seem out of place on a muscle car, I believe the switch to luxury cars was not yet complete. I think they were much more popular in 1965 than 1970 (they seem so natural on a '65 4-4-2 ragtop).
- Our memories from back in the day are not infallible.
Anyway, here's rounded percentages through June 1970 on 4-4-2 wheel options:
N66 SSII: 38%
N95 wire wheelcover 2%
P01 14" wheel disc: 8%
P02 Deluxe wheel disc: 2%
P05 SSI: 38%
That totals 88%, which could suggest around 12% had poverty caps, unless I've made a mistake.
ADDENDUM : I see Brian also did this.
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