Interesting read in today's "Street Muscle Magazine". Bill T. builds a 560 inch Rocket Block, makes over 800 NA HP!

 

I cant say enough good things about that guys builds. The last motor he built for me lasted 10 years. Thousands of street miles and then at least a thousands 1/8th and 1/4 mile passes. (Eventually the valve guides failed and I sent the motor back for a refresh) Best pass was an 11.01 in a 3800lb street car.

Great power and ridiculous reliability.
-peter

 

Peter, where do you race now? I used to get to JAX Raceways occasionally before they closed, never made it to Green Cove Dragway. Seems like Gainesville or Douglass are closest now.

 

https://www.enginelabs.com/engine-te...32gSNpIZRlz08w

 

Thanks for sharing!

 

I have a new build been hold off talking about just yet however.

Complete 505 Rocket Engine, Block , crank , heads, manifold going in.
Pump gas 627 HP 627 Tork

 

Time to bust that piggy bank.

https://www.enginelabs.com/engine-te...for-the-street

 

THAT MF will scare the crap out of a stock-ish Demon. And to do THAT N/A?

I don't even want to ask what that would cost. Less than an Helliphant though, I bet!

 

As time moves forward looking forward to NA pump gas builds + FI builds using that block.

 

Thanks for posting.
BTR builds HP/TQ !

 

From oil pan to intake manifold. What is the cost of that setup? I am guessing around $25,000

I don't see how 15:1 compression is considered a "street" motor.

 

quite a motor ! Bill is one of the best i would definitely go visit him if i win the lottery !

 

Along with the help of John@Rocket, Marty Zimmerman and Dale Cubic. Plenty of praise to go around.

 

Thats a great build ! Any details on the RR heads are they stock or ported any ? Saw the pic of the engine and car - Pure Candy too me. Congrats
Glen

 

I should not have jumped in on Bill 560 monster, I just got excited.
So, I will lightly respond lightly and after I fire it up tonight in car or get a track pass later, I will post in separate thread.

CNC ported, 2.2 intake, roller bar rockers

Thanks

 

$25k

 

I merged the two separate threads on this topic.

 

Awesome article and Olds coverage for BTR. I have some of his handiwork and can attest to his attention to detail. Shout out to RR for a great block

 

I race at Gainesville, Orlando and SGMP. I love the latter two.
Last weekend at SGMP I finished in the semis in street and RU’d in the finals in pro. Won 11 rounds straight!
Nice night.
-pete

 

Bernhard wrote:
Does anyone make more HP/TQ with the Edelbrock cylinder head in the Oldsmobile community? The correct answer is NO!
A good engine builder knows what parts and services to use to achieve the maximum result .
Every component on this build is well thought out!
Bill Knows how to make HP/TQ !!!

 

So at the very least Marty’s intake had nothing to do with it. Gotcha.

 

Cutlassefi wrote:
So at the very least Marty’s intake had nothing to do with it. Gotcha.

Bernhard wrote:
A good engine builder knows what parts and services to use to achieve the maximum result .
Bill chose Marty because he knows that he will provide the intake required to achieve the HP/TQ goals of the build.
Every part of the build was well thought out thus the impressive results.
You have to know who to work with and who not to work with!
Bill Knows how to make HP/TQ !!!

 

 

That’s correct, you tap into the knowledge of others to help in your cause, whatever it may be. Exactly my point.
Btw I’m doing a Pontiac engine for the guy who’s engine is on the cover of the second edition. So Bill isn’t the only one smart enough to tap into the best resources possible.😉

 

What a surprise even this topic turns soon to be about praising cutlassefis mahle pistons and whatever crap to praise him

 

So the build was $25k?

No doubt the Rocket Racing shortblock is the way to go for reliability and performance. With a 4 bolt main, you are golden and no stupid girdles to deal with.

 

Impressive build! Just trying to budget a future build. How much did the engine build cost you?

 

Yes 25K + add on's, pullys , carb, headers, ect.

 

Considering that the block alone is about $5500, that shouldn't be a surprise.

 

That's a very nice serpentine pulley setup! Better than the belt slipping OEM design Stock setup will not handle high RPMs

Will the Rocket Racing block bolt & fit in a stock A-Body frame? Motor mounts or engine plate?

What ET are you estimating?

 

That’s not what I said. What I said was it wasn’t Bills doing alone. In fact if it weren’t for the block from RR it would just be another 455 build. IMO that’s the first thing that sets it apart. It wouldn’t have happened without that, period.
Did Bill spend the $$$ to design and cast that block? No, John did. Did Bill do the intake? No, Marty did. Did Bill do the carb? No, Dale did. Was Bill instrumental in getting Edelbrock to do that head early on? No, Joe Mondello was. Try doing what Bill did to that head to a set of irons, good luck. And the second head revision was a suggestion from Dick Miller, not from Bill. Again my point is quite simply plenty of praise to go around, teamwork.
So let’s set the record straight, I got Mahle and Scat to do what they did initially by screaming the loudest. After that I simply showed them what they could do to sell more units. It ain’t Rocket science, no pun intended. Anybody could’ve, and quite frankly, should’ve done it before me. I guess they either just didn’t care enough or just wanted to sit back and let someone else do all the work, then throw stones at it, like you do.

Have a nice day!

 

Bernhard wrote:
This thread is about a BTR build not a infomercial for Cutlassefi your starting to sound like Andy!
In house machine shop Yes
In house dyno Yes
Built a off brand engine and placed well at the engine masters Yes
Raced at a high level with a converted diesel engine successfully Yes
Published a book sharing hard earned engine building knowledge Yes
Engine development Yes

 

Sure, whatever you say Bernard. He is nothing short of god, even though he’s brought nothing to market that everyone can buy anywhere, like Joe M. did. IMO he started it all.
i guess I’m the idiot that thinks there’s something to an Olds enthusiast being able to thumb thru a Jegs or Summit catalog and buy whatever they need to put together a respectable performance build, just like the Chevy, Ford, Mopar, and even the Pontiac guys can.
Sorry, not sure what I was thinking there. I guess I need to change my focus. I’ll get right on that.

 

In Bills book he gives credit and mentions many Oldsmobile engine builders and parts suppliers.
Dave Smith, Rock Racing, BTR stock and super stock class racers and all the bracket racers are DR Oldsmobile !!!
There are some past and present engine builders that could only survive building Oldsmobile engines !!

 

Bill Travoto put together a machine shop with a dyno, backed up with a successful racing program, in my opinion he's done something. From what I can see people that have money in the Olds community go see Bill when they need a engine done right, just fact, not to say Andy, Milan, And Bernard are excellent engine builders as well. Bill took his business serious, the proofs in the results..............

 

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Have the right mentality...............Do the work...........Get the results!

 

There are lots of quality engine builders that don’t do their own machine work. Look up Scca TA2 Byron Koury for one. And how about all the guys that are going fast on any given weekend at the local drag strip. Just sayin.

Done here. I think everyone has made their respective points and opinions. Great build however you look at it.

 

Good grief. Cutlassefi, really got it out for Bill, huh? Take a Xanax, the thinly veiled smears are making you look like a fool.

 

Bernhard wrote:
This thread is about a BTR build !
Did you not read this sentence from my last post. Dave Smith, Rock Racing, BTR stock and super stock class racers and all the bracket racers are DR Oldsmobile !!!
Three racers that can build Oldsmobile engines that farm out machine work. This is not a complete list of racers that know how to build a Oldsmobile engine!!!
Kost family stock and super stock racers
Milan Who would not want a Milan engine
Alan Fillerbrown
I would have no problem with anyone of these racers building me a Oldsmobile engine!
You can look up all three of these racers and see that they are all DR Oldsmobile !!!

The Oldsmobile hi performance community has been plagued by used car salesmen past and present over selling and over representation.

 

Just as with the DRCE 500 CI NHRA P/S engines they all work with the same block,heads and related parts. Some are faster than others using basically the same parts,so why doesn't it apply to Olds builders? Sounds like jealously with somebody .