New Edelbrock heads flow specs
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Russell Hunt, his son(?), Peyton, is making new heads. I know it's on fb, and I think there's a thread here. That's a turbo small block in a dragster. I'm pretty sure Travato holds the door car record with a nitrous small block.
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I think you may be misunderstanding what happen, nothing against Bill at all I'm just a guy with a 84 hurst that wants to learn some things along my build putting my hands on it much as possible. I ask what he recommend for my power level. I've ask more than him he's not the only good Oldsmobile engine builder lets get this out the way. No one has responded send me your engine and he'll figure it out lol that's absurd I ask for cam recommendation not a engine rebuild lol. Well I ask same question let's say with crower they ask a gang of question answering with youll at least need a cam this size but it's best to get your heads worked figure out what bore stroke and what gas you're going to use etc and make the cam the last item you purchase because they could customize a cam to my application. This language was very easy to interpret made it make sense. I've asked other builders pretty much same answer only given a lets say educated guess on what size I'll need without all the information needed to get a custom grind. NOT ONE SAID SEND THEM MY ENGINE.
There are a lot of guys on this form that share information sometimes they get grief for trying to help people that don't like there answers yet they still freely give out information go figure.
Dale gave you a cam company that is well known in the drag racing world give them a call or not. I'm sure Mark can also hook you up with a camshaft.
Good luck with your build.
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There are many fast Oldsmobile's and there is not just one record holder as it is class specific.
The Chad looks to have the fastest NA 455 door car.
The Hunt's the fasted powered Oldsmobile
Dave Smith held records and won IHRA pro stock champion ship
BTR raced a a 350 DX on Nitrous with success in a world of filled with Chevy power.
Kost has held many a record in NHRA stock
Dale placed very well at the engine masters with a scrap metal 307
There are many talented Oldsmobile engine builders!
The Chad looks to have the fastest NA 455 door car.
The Hunt's the fasted powered Oldsmobile
Dave Smith held records and won IHRA pro stock champion ship
BTR raced a a 350 DX on Nitrous with success in a world of filled with Chevy power.
Kost has held many a record in NHRA stock
Dale placed very well at the engine masters with a scrap metal 307
There are many talented Oldsmobile engine builders!
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There are many fast Oldsmobile's and there is not just one record holder as it is class specific.
The Chad looks to have the fastest NA 455 door car.
The Hunt's the fasted powered Oldsmobile
Dave Smith held records and won IHRA pro stock champion ship
BTR raced a a 350 DX on Nitrous with success in a world of filled with Chevy power.
Kost has held many a record in NHRA stock
Dale placed very well at the engine masters with a scrap metal 307
There are many talented Oldsmobile engine builders!
The Chad looks to have the fastest NA 455 door car.
The Hunt's the fasted powered Oldsmobile
Dave Smith held records and won IHRA pro stock champion ship
BTR raced a a 350 DX on Nitrous with success in a world of filled with Chevy power.
Kost has held many a record in NHRA stock
Dale placed very well at the engine masters with a scrap metal 307
There are many talented Oldsmobile engine builders!
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Yeah, Peyton and Zimmerm's heads are very interesting with huge potential, both in very limited numbers, no doubt requiring deep pockets. We also have Terry Fritsch at FCR with new heads, which is a different can of worms. Between special rocker arms required and people super hesitant to deal with him, they won't be a big mover. These newest Edelbrock's aren't perfect, curious how the SBO version will come off the assembly line?
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I posted names of the "fastest" (technically, "quickest"), and interestingly, there has been a considerable amount of time since they were accomplished. There are a few NOT on the lists stickied above, as well. Bill and Ron J's ETs are reversed; here's proof
It's funny how, in this internet age, access to all knowledge is expected. They aren't called "speed secrets" for no reason. I've run 2 of Bill's grinds so far, and I can tell you they work. The last one was most impressive considering its small-by-the-numbers profile (491/510, 236/242). He was also right about drivability with a manual trans, as I've seen mentioned recently.
We are all human, and not without flaw. I'm currently working through an issue with a different "fast family in Oldsmobile" and they've been plenty helpful. I should know more next week, but I think I may have beat on the engine a little more than the involved parties expected. It's a learning process.
It's funny how, in this internet age, access to all knowledge is expected. They aren't called "speed secrets" for no reason. I've run 2 of Bill's grinds so far, and I can tell you they work. The last one was most impressive considering its small-by-the-numbers profile (491/510, 236/242). He was also right about drivability with a manual trans, as I've seen mentioned recently.
We are all human, and not without flaw. I'm currently working through an issue with a different "fast family in Oldsmobile" and they've been plenty helpful. I should know more next week, but I think I may have beat on the engine a little more than the involved parties expected. It's a learning process.
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I posted names of the "fastest" (technically, "quickest"), and interestingly, there has been a considerable amount of time since they were accomplished. There are a few NOT on the lists stickied above, as well. Bill and Ron J's ETs are reversed; here's proof
https://youtu.be/Quf5Hj7sAvg
It's funny how, in this internet age, access to all knowledge is expected. They aren't called "speed secrets" for no reason. I've run 2 of Bill's grinds so far, and I can tell you they work. The last one was most impressive considering its small-by-the-numbers profile (491/510, 236/242). He was also right about drivability with a manual trans, as I've seen mentioned recently.
We are all human, and not without flaw. I'm currently working through an issue with a different "fast family in Oldsmobile" and they've been plenty helpful. I should know more next week, but I think I may have beat on the engine a little more than the involved parties expected. It's a learning process.
https://youtu.be/Quf5Hj7sAvg
It's funny how, in this internet age, access to all knowledge is expected. They aren't called "speed secrets" for no reason. I've run 2 of Bill's grinds so far, and I can tell you they work. The last one was most impressive considering its small-by-the-numbers profile (491/510, 236/242). He was also right about drivability with a manual trans, as I've seen mentioned recently.
We are all human, and not without flaw. I'm currently working through an issue with a different "fast family in Oldsmobile" and they've been plenty helpful. I should know more next week, but I think I may have beat on the engine a little more than the involved parties expected. It's a learning process.
And since you mentioned speed secrets you think he'll build your car faster than his? Go figure main reason I'm intrigued about learning the skill myself I've been burnt by a builder who basically used my coins to build his car.
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I'm making a point so if you ask advice on what gear to run you'll send your rear end because of speed secrets? First Im not trying to break no record lol second I'm not trying to reproduce anyone's cam specs. I'm making a point even the fastest is willing to help without considering gain from everybody that ask a question. You don't blandly respond to me saying just send your engine from a can recommendation. Guess it's the southern hospitality I'm raised in and use too which indeed is good for business. Again nothing against the man I respect it, just not willing to send him my engine when I dnt have too. But I've responded way too much on something so opinionated it's cool he charged I ended up connecting with someone actually faster just how things work.
And since you mentioned speed secrets you think he'll build your car faster than his? Go figure main reason I'm intrigued about learning the skill myself I've been burnt by a builder who basically used my coins to build his car.
And since you mentioned speed secrets you think he'll build your car faster than his? Go figure main reason I'm intrigued about learning the skill myself I've been burnt by a builder who basically used my coins to build his car.
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Don't go making assumptions. I never mentioned my problem was rockers. Like I said, I'll know more next week.
That indeed was Bill's engine- a 403 based on a nascar block with huge nitrous solenoids. Dave Laurer's "White Whale" had one similar. The Starfire has been sold many years ago, now. He currently runs a Camaro in NMCA.
I got no beef with you; don't know why you're getting so defensive. I just like Bill's cam grinds, and if he doesn't want to give out specs, I can respect that. Nothing more....
That indeed was Bill's engine- a 403 based on a nascar block with huge nitrous solenoids. Dave Laurer's "White Whale" had one similar. The Starfire has been sold many years ago, now. He currently runs a Camaro in NMCA.
I got no beef with you; don't know why you're getting so defensive. I just like Bill's cam grinds, and if he doesn't want to give out specs, I can respect that. Nothing more....
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Don't go making assumptions. I never mentioned my problem was rockers. Like I said, I'll know more next week.
That indeed was Bill's engine- a 403 based on a nascar block with huge nitrous solenoids. Dave Laurer's "White Whale" had one similar. The Starfire has been sold many years ago, now. He currently runs a Camaro in NMCA.
I got no beef with you; don't know why you're getting so defensive. I just like Bill's cam grinds, and if he doesn't want to give out specs, I can respect that. Nothing more....
That indeed was Bill's engine- a 403 based on a nascar block with huge nitrous solenoids. Dave Laurer's "White Whale" had one similar. The Starfire has been sold many years ago, now. He currently runs a Camaro in NMCA.
I got no beef with you; don't know why you're getting so defensive. I just like Bill's cam grinds, and if he doesn't want to give out specs, I can respect that. Nothing more....
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@cutlassefi has some nice diamond cut Harland Sharp rockers in 1.6, 1.65, and 1.7.
There's always Comp, but I think their quality is slipping, contrary to what some say. Jesel would probably make you some.
There's always Comp, but I think their quality is slipping, contrary to what some say. Jesel would probably make you some.
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@cutlassefi has some nice diamond cut Harland Sharp rockers in 1.6, 1.65, and 1.7.
There's always Comp, but I think their quality is slipping, contrary to what some say. Jesel would probably make you some.
There's always Comp, but I think their quality is slipping, contrary to what some say. Jesel would probably make you some.
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I’m not sure the power level will dictate rocker type. It’s much more RPM and subsequent spring loads that will dictate that.
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not to be funny but yeah comprehension isn't there the fastest is the fastest correct? I didn't ask for details in different classes. You're right we have free will to choose to do as we please and I have free will to choose to accept it or not. Funny the guy that potentially holds the fastest time for any oldsmobile car has a character of passion and not mammon. Peyton will help as much as he can WITHOUT CONSIDERING MAKING A DOLLAR FROM EVERY QUESTION. Are you Bill Travato? Seems you're quite offended
The hunts are the fasted Oldsmobile power adder dragster
Is Peyton Hunt a professional engine shop with overhead or does he earn his living by other means?
It takes just as much skill to build an Oldsmobile in a restricted class as it does to run open class racing!
I'm glad you found someone to work with good luck on your build.
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There are many fast Oldsmobile's and there is not just one record holder as it is class specific.
The Chad looks to have the fastest NA 455 door car.
The Hunt's the fasted powered Oldsmobile
Dave Smith held records and won IHRA pro stock champion ship
BTR raced a a 350 DX on Nitrous with success in a world of filled with Chevy power.
Kost has held many a record in NHRA stock
Dale placed very well at the engine masters with a scrap metal 307
There are many talented Oldsmobile engine builders!
The Chad looks to have the fastest NA 455 door car.
The Hunt's the fasted powered Oldsmobile
Dave Smith held records and won IHRA pro stock champion ship
BTR raced a a 350 DX on Nitrous with success in a world of filled with Chevy power.
Kost has held many a record in NHRA stock
Dale placed very well at the engine masters with a scrap metal 307
There are many talented Oldsmobile engine builders!
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There are many fast Oldsmobile's and there is not just one record holder as it is class specific.
The Chad looks to have the fastest NA 455 door car.
The Hunt's the fasted powered Oldsmobile
Dave Smith held records and won IHRA pro stock champion ship
BTR raced a a 350 DX on Nitrous with success in a world of filled with Chevy power.
Kost has held many a record in NHRA stock
Dale placed very well at the engine masters with a scrap metal 307
There are many talented Oldsmobile engine builders!
The Chad looks to have the fastest NA 455 door car.
The Hunt's the fasted powered Oldsmobile
Dave Smith held records and won IHRA pro stock champion ship
BTR raced a a 350 DX on Nitrous with success in a world of filled with Chevy power.
Kost has held many a record in NHRA stock
Dale placed very well at the engine masters with a scrap metal 307
There are many talented Oldsmobile engine builders!
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Yes, my intake and heads both originally belonged to Milan. Both have since been back to John Marcella for updates/improvements.
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Just to put things into perspective, when say "show them whats up" at least for myself I can say we have been 7.85 @ 172 in a car just like Chads @ 3350 on a 10 inch tire 15 years ago. Also I've been 9.29 @ 142.29 in a 3580-3600 pound 9 inch tire production cast iron head car along with the block, no wheelie bar, so I just had to mention that, not to take away from Chad or Milan just stating whats out there when you make posts like that.
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Mark you forgot that the car that went 9.29 @ 3580lbs was pump gas capable and what, 10/12 yrs ago. The "car" was fast too, probably a good tenth + in that car also. Still a hard runner anyway you slice it. Still, TO THIS DAY, I kick myself in the *** for not buying it...............
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Just to put things into perspective, when say "show them whats up" at least for myself I can say we have been 7.85 @ 172 in a car just like Chads @ 3350 on a 10 inch tire 15 years ago. Also I've been 9.29 @ 142.29 in a 3580-3600 pound 9 inch tire production cast iron head car along with the block, no wheelie bar, so I just had to mention that, not to take away from Chad or Milan just stating whats out there when you make posts like that.
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I will answer that ! Hell no it wasn't a Oldsmobile ! He has yet to build one that can do that!
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Just to put things into perspective, when say "show them whats up" at least for myself I can say we have been 7.85 @ 172 in a car just like Chads @ 3350 on a 10 inch tire 15 years ago. Also I've been 9.29 @ 142.29 in a 3580-3600 pound 9 inch tire production cast iron head car along with the block, no wheelie bar, so I just had to mention that, not to take away from Chad or Milan just stating whats out there when you make posts like that.
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Well gee let's put this into perspective! If nines is easy for vort-a able! With all his know how and great opinions! Then why hasn't he built a 900 HP Oldsmobile engine put it in a a Oldsmobile 68/72 Cutlass body and gone deep 8 second's? Anyone got a crystal clear ball?
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Now my 499" BBc made 1270Hp with cast single. ONLY "Oldsmobile" getting close to that will be running Dart/OLDS big Chiefs or DRCE's. BUt what bottom end will they run? There is just not the support or parts supply for a traditional style OLDS to be really competitive in a NA heads up class. Just the facts. IF both cars have to weight the same lbs, a BBc or BBf just has better parts out there and will make more power. Pump gas BBc/f will make over 900Hp @ 520 ish inches, and could use stock block as well....
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No, as one who dabbled with the higher end NA stuff for years, the OLDS platform isn't one where one can compete competitively. Just compare the newest, best off the shelf heads, Edelbrock, and compare them to BBc ProFiler Sniper XL or SR20,s. Or Ford A or C heads. Just way behind for max effort NA. FYI we have been 4.70's NA 450" SBf @ 2850lbs on 10.5 x 29.5 NON w, or 7.80 @ 2880 with a 399" SBf on the same tire. These started as NMCA Hot Street and went on to Ultra and NA 10.5 cars.
Now my 499" BBc made 1270Hp with cast single. ONLY "Oldsmobile" getting close to that will be running Dart/OLDS big Chiefs or DRCE's. BUt what bottom end will they run? There is just not the support or parts supply for a traditional style OLDS to be really competitive in a NA heads up class. Just the facts. IF both cars have to weight the same lbs, a BBc or BBf just has better parts out there and will make more power. Pump gas BBc/f will make over 900Hp @ 520 ish inches, and could use stock block as well....
Now my 499" BBc made 1270Hp with cast single. ONLY "Oldsmobile" getting close to that will be running Dart/OLDS big Chiefs or DRCE's. BUt what bottom end will they run? There is just not the support or parts supply for a traditional style OLDS to be really competitive in a NA heads up class. Just the facts. IF both cars have to weight the same lbs, a BBc or BBf just has better parts out there and will make more power. Pump gas BBc/f will make over 900Hp @ 520 ish inches, and could use stock block as well....
