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Old August 2nd, 2019, 04:54 PM
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Jumble of parts... some direction please

So I find myself in the middle of a build, the engine is a 425 olds. Stock crank, stock rods, new higher compression stock style pistons, comp big ***** thumper hydraulic roller retrofit cam, speedmaster aluminum heads, I have a variety of intakes available but will most likely go rpm airgap. My question is this. Am I going to make enough power to bother the bottom end? Would it be wise to get aftermarket rods and pistons? Will I need to run a halo on the main caps? I'm worried that my dad got the better of himself and was shooting to high for the stock bottom end. Any thoughts or insight would be appreciated.

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Keeping the piston/rods as light as possible is a big part of making the BBO short block together. I think all the 425 cranks are forged, so that helps. If the pistons need replacement, get good quality pistons like CP.
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Originally Posted by Sonoman
So I find myself in the middle of a build, the engine is a 425 olds. Stock crank, stock rods, new higher compression stock style pistons, comp big ***** thumper hydraulic roller retrofit cam, speedmaster aluminum heads, I have a variety of intakes available but will most likely go rpm airgap. My question is this. Am I going to make enough power to bother the bottom end? Would it be wise to get aftermarket rods and pistons? Will I need to run a halo on the main caps? I'm worried that my dad got the better of himself and was shooting to high for the stock bottom end. Any thoughts or insight would be appreciated.
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Larger than stock oil clearance
Light pistons
aftermarket rods
Main studs
Quality machine work
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Old August 2nd, 2019, 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Bernhard
Larger than stock oil clearance
Light pistons
aftermarket rods
Main studs
Quality machine work
That's kind of where I was thinking I was wondering if I would be pushing the rod and stock style pistons a bit to far.
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Old August 2nd, 2019, 08:36 PM
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What about straps and or halos? What's everyones opinion on those?
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425 can accept a roller cam?
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Originally Posted by george landis
425 can accept a roller cam?
It's a retro fit roller, I believe I'll need to machine the block to run the bearing at the back of the cam.
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Find a stock 455 block and use it. Much better cam selection than the 45 deg cam. Get the lightest pistons for it.
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Originally Posted by Gerald Nickels
Find a stock 455 block and use it. Much better cam selection than the 45 deg cam. Get the lightest pistons for it.
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I'm reading the book listed above currently, definitely looks like I'll have to do some checking and finger crossing
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Originally Posted by Sonoman
I'm reading the book listed above currently, definitely looks like I'll have to do some checking and finger crossing
Some 425 blocks have the 45 degree cam angle.
The bore is the same as a 455 , 425 has the shorter stroke and uses a 7 rod.
25 free cu is always nice when on a budget free HP/TQ at a lower RPM
Read the book and take your time planning your build.
Go to RealOldsPower and check out the build section.
Rocket racing also sells parts
Look up Milan's builds on ROP
Using parts you already have can compromise a new build if they are going to prevent you from reaching your goals.
We have a first class machinist on Classic Oldsmobile if you are looking for one.
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First thing: Find out what lifter bank angle you have.and lifter diameter.
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Originally Posted by OLDSter Ralph
First thing: Find out what lifter bank angle you have.and lifter diameter.
X2.
Mahle makes a great new piston for the 425. Use the 7.00” H beam rods from Rocket.
I’d use the regular Performer intake, not the RPM AirGap.
No halo needed at this level.

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Thanks for all the great advice so far, I purchased that book and have been reading it diligently. Hoping to get started soon, first step look at the lifter bank angle lol.
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[QUOTE=cutlassefi;1188998]X2.
Mahle makes a great new piston for the 425. Use the 7.00” H beam rods from Rocket.
I’d use the regular Performer intake, not the RPM AirGap.
No halo needed at this level.[/QUOT could you elaborate on the intake comment further? Also I'd like a bit more info on those pistons as well please.
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My current selection of intakes include an edelbrock torquer, a holly street dominator, and an offenhouser dual port. However I'm not against purchasing new. From reading the above book the torquer or street dominator seem appealing. And dad always seemed fond of the torquer
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Originally Posted by Sonoman
My current selection of intakes include an edelbrock torquer, a holly street dominator, and an offenhouser dual port. However I'm not against purchasing new. From reading the above book the torquer or street dominator seem appealing. And dad always seemed fond of the torquer

The Holly street dominator is a very good intake.
Get the bottom end right and the heads and you can fine tune from their.
A good balancer is also a must have.
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Originally Posted by Bernhard
The Holly street dominator is a very good intake.
Get the bottom end right and the heads and you can fine tune from their.
A good balancer is also a must have.
I have a tci rattler anyone have good luck with those?
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Originally Posted by Sonoman
I have a tci rattler anyone have good luck with those?
Try posting on ROP they have a wider performance audience.
I know the ATI is very popular.
Your goals will dictate the quality of parts that you will require.
What are your goals?

Take the internet feed back but in the end try and stick to one Oldsmobile specific Vendor and a quality Machinist.

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[QUOTE=Sonoman;1189266]
Originally Posted by cutlassefi
X2.
Mahle makes a great new piston for the 425. Use the 7.00” H beam rods from Rocket.
I’d use the regular Performer intake, not the RPM AirGap.
No halo needed at this level.[/QUOT could you elaborate on the intake comment further? Also I'd like a bit more info on those pistons as well please.
A regular Performer, #2151 would be best. I'd sell all the rest of what you have. I've made 540hp on a 455 with that intake.
The Mahle piston is available in a .030 oversize, 4.155. It has 10cc valve reliefs, a modern ring pack and is forged and coated. I sell them with rings shipped for $679.00.
Hope this helps.
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[QUOTE=cutlassefi;1189300]
Originally Posted by Sonoman
A regular Performer, #2151 would be best. I'd sell all the rest of what you have. I've made 540hp on a 455 with that intake.
The Mahle piston is available in a .030 oversize, 4.155. It has 10cc valve reliefs, a modern ring pack and is forged and coated. I sell them with rings shipped for $679.00.
Hope this helps.
Are the pistons setup for the 7 rod or 6.735 rod?
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[QUOTE=Sonoman;1189301]
Originally Posted by cutlassefi
Are the pistons setup for the 7 rod or 6.735 rod?
7.00”, with a 425 crank.
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So finally did a little checking I believe I'm in the clear on the lifter angle the diameter I think I'm good aswell. To my understanding the d means it's a late model block and I'm pretty sure it didn't come from a tornado. But I'll pull one of my lifters and check when I can.
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