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Old September 16th, 2024, 10:37 AM
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Exhaust Cutouts and 1/8 Mile Fun

I went to the test and tune this weekend with some friends and something I wanted to test was the cutouts I added to the exhaust. After a handful of runs getting the timing and the jetting dialed in to the point that I was happy with, I opened the cutouts. The exhaust system on the car is long tubes into a 3" y pipe into a single 3" chambered muffler and tailpipe. I knew this would be restrictive, but I wanted a stock look and relatively quiet highway cruising. The cutouts are 3" diameter and installed after each header and dump out under the doors.
I was very happy with the results!


In a car that weighs 4700 lbs with me in it, 2 miles an hour in the 1/8 is pretty substantial.



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Old September 16th, 2024, 01:51 PM
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Cool, way cool.
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Nice. 2 MPH in the 1/8th ~ 4 MPH in the 1/4?? Old rule of thumb (1 MPH / 10 HP in the 1/4) ~40 HP??
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Old September 16th, 2024, 03:58 PM
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Calcs as follows:

1/8th ET of 8.9 seconds.
1/8th MPH of 78.68 MPH.
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1/4 Mile ET is 14.16 @ 97.56 MPH.




1/8th ET of 8.74 seconds.
1/8th MPH of 80.65 MPH.
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1/4 Mile ET is 13.91 seconds @ 100.01 MPH.

A 13 second wagon is pretty cool.
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Originally Posted by Lonnies Performance
A 13 second wagon is pretty cool.
I agree. Heck, any performance wagon is cool. But then I have a wagon bias.
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Originally Posted by Lonnies Performance
Calcs as follows:

1/8th ET of 8.9 seconds.
1/8th MPH of 78.68 MPH.
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1/4 Mile ET is 14.16 @ 97.56 MPH.




1/8th ET of 8.74 seconds.
1/8th MPH of 80.65 MPH.
=
1/4 Mile ET is 13.91 seconds @ 100.01 MPH.

A 13 second wagon is pretty cool.
You nailed it. This is from the last time I ran the 1/4 mile in June. Now I'm excited to hit the 1/4 mile with the cutouts open.


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Originally Posted by Fun71
I agree. Heck, any performance wagon is cool. But then I have a wagon bias.
Thanks guys, it is a lot of fun and definitely surprises some people.
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I wonder what engine and driveline it has?
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Originally Posted by CANADIANOLDS
I wonder what engine and driveline it has?
It's a 455 and a 200-4R
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Originally Posted by CustomBruiser
it is a lot of fun and definitely surprises some people.
Yeah, no one expects a soccer mom grocery getter to kick their butt!
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That thing is so dam cool!!!
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Wagons ROCK! I believe this Pontiac was campaigned by Shirley Woods.


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There’s an FB page called long roof racers maybe?
They’d love this. All wagons.

Thats a great success picking up a few numbers with the cutouts.
CONGRATS!!!
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That seems like a LOT just from cutouts considering the 3" pipes. Dang. You flip the air cleaner lid on that run, too?? ha
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Originally Posted by CustomBruiser
It's a 455 and a 200-4R
what rear gear?
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Originally Posted by brownbomber77
That seems like a LOT just from cutouts considering the 3" pipes. Dang. You flip the air cleaner lid on that run, too?? ha
It's a single 3" which is why it's such a big gain.
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Originally Posted by canadianolds
what rear gear?
4.10
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Originally Posted by CustomBruiser
4.10
that’s a nice overall first gear ratio.

did you notice your 60’ was better with the exhaust closed ? you have more in it
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Originally Posted by CustomBruiser
It's a single 3" which is why it's such a big gain.
not really..if your single 3” is actually free flowing like you say.. it’ll handle way more power than you’re making.

a single three inch properly designed with a straight through muffler will handle 500 to 600 hp
you aren’t making anywhere near that by the weight and MPH and open exhaust

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Your chambered muffler sucks if that’s the gain

put in a good straight through 3” and you won’t notice any diff uncorked.

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Originally Posted by CANADIANOLDS
that’s a nice overall first gear ratio.

did you notice your 60’ was better with the exhaust closed ? you have more in it
60' was the same regardless. Getting traction is the challenge on the 60'
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Originally Posted by CANADIANOLDS
Your chambered muffler sucks if that’s the gain

put in a good straight through 3” and you won’t notice any diff uncorked.
Yeah, I wasn't expecting much from a sub $40 chambered muffler. Sounds great but not exactly the best flow design.
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Originally Posted by CustomBruiser
60' was the same regardless. Getting traction is the challenge on the 60'
no, it wasn’t the same. Your quicker 60’ was with it closed , 2.0167 vs open 2.0281

thats .0114 which is significant. I’m saying if it’s that much better closed, there is even more in it open. you didn’t say if you changed any tuning open vs closed. if that’s the case, then you need to work on the open exhaust tuning to get back the 60’ loss. it should pick up everywhere…not a worse 60’ but better everywhere else

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Originally Posted by CANADIANOLDS
no, it wasn’t the same. Your quicker 60’ was with it closed , 2.0167 vs open 2.0281

thats .0114 which is significant. I’m saying if it’s that much better closed, there is even more in it open. you didn’t say if you changed any tuning open vs closed. if that’s the case, then you need to work on the open exhaust tuning to get back the 60’ loss. it should pick up everywhere…not a worse 60’ but better everywhere else
For these two runs, yes. But across all the runs I did that night, the cut outs did not have a measurable effect on 60'. The variation came down to my ability to launch without spinning tires.
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For these two runs, yes. But across all the runs I did that night, the cut outs did not have a measurable effect on 60'. The variation came down to my ability to launch without spinning tires.
its 4,700 lbs and you can’t get traction? what tires?
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Originally Posted by CANADIANOLDS
its 4,700 lbs and you can’t get traction? what tires?
Ha ha, I know.
They're just cheap all-season tires. This isn't a drag car and I'm not a racer, the whole point of going to the test and tune was to see how restrictive the chambered muffler was. The whole car is just for fun and learning really. I wanted to know so I welded in some cutouts and went to see the MPH difference. The next experiment is going to be cutting out the chambered muffler and welding in a straight through style. Then I also have a couple of other converters on the shelf I want to try.
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