if you give me the years and class records you held, I can look it up myself.

 

Note the invitation to the 1973 NHRA World Finals in Amarillo, Tx that was by invitation only.

 

close up of the Olds one so I can see the et&mph. Who built the engine ?

thats not NHRA sanctioned is it?

 

I have proven what I have claimed . No need to say anything else.

 

It all looks good to me, I had no idea you were a racer.......now were going to be buddies........ I like old racers!

 

Wow..all I got to say.. there is zero need to disrespect anyone with racing history. 66 3x2 is not only a former racer but has helped more people in the Oldsmobile world than I can count..selfless with his knowledge on everything 66-67 cutlass 442. The kind of person who Always.. takes the time to help someone..I am not saying you others don’t do the same but it’s done more harshly than necessary..There is a thing called IQ and another called EQ, which teaches the art of communication without being antagonistic or a know it all.. all 4 engine builders on this post have serious knowledge in their craft. Why the need to run each other down? come on man.. let’s work towards helping the hobby and each other.

 

Want to know why you didn't know I was a racer? because I don't go around bragging and beating myself on the chest. It is what it was and I had a great time with it. I've also won Best Of Class & Senior Preservation, the highest award possible with the OCA. I'm not some keyboard jockey who hasn't done a damn thing. I'm 73 years old and have been retired for 23 wonderful years and I don't owe a penny to anybody. Yeah, I'm braggin now.

 

You know I'am going to refer you as "Trac Pac Mike" from here on out. Who you kidding about the keyboard jockey thing, every since you've been on my radar, and thats many years, I'd label you a keyboard junkie, BUT at least you've done something-several things it seems. Now when I come to Birmingham are we going to ride the go carts, buddy?

 

Very cool history. Thanks for posting.
Would you mind sharing at what rpm you were shifting at and your finish line rpm?
Did you ever encounter main or rod bearing issues?

 

If my memory serves me I shifted @ 5500 and it crossed at around 6K. No engine issues what so ever but I did break a nickel geared 2.88 Borg Warner trans @ Atlanta. I first tried a 4.10 gear with 26" tall Hoosiers but it ran better with 4.56 gears and 28" tall Hoosiers.

 

Thanks for the reply.

 

Absolutely love this. The rise of the retirement people, I have only been retired for 11 years. Although buying a farm after retirement probably wasn't the best idea as I work harder now lol.

 

Thanks. I have really enjoyed it because my wife retired @ the same time as I did. We put in 65 years combined @ the same place and we set our selves up so we wouldn't have to worry about ever working again. Enjoy yourself, you've earned it.

 

This awesome Mike. I was probably in Amarillo then. Dad used to take us to the drags on weekends when I was a kid. I would have been 11, lol. Carry on Sir!

 

I've got a question for the forum: Which Oldsmobile engine made more observed HP power?


1. CanadianOlds's 307 Oldsmobile engine
2. Trac Pac Mike's 1966 L69 factory 400 W-30 race engine

Question # 1 in a 3 part series.

 

The EM 307 was a "better" engine because 3 carbs were a marketing gimmick

 

OK-let's break that down, does the Edelbrock carb on the 307 move more air than the 3 Rochester 2BBLs on the L69? Anyone..........I have no idea.

After some research it would appear the 3X2 BBL does move more air than the Edelbrock carb assuming it hasn't been modified? Maybe CanadianOlds can shed some light on this. Also it seems the 1966 W-30 Olds has run 109 MPH @ 3920? The car certainly didn't weigh that from the factory, but being NMCA legal could have required the extra weight. But anyway 109 MPH @ 3920 pounds shows right around 400 HP @ the crankshaft observed, now to put that into perspective, that 1 HP per inch through exhaust manifolds, if the car ran @ 3920.

 

In terms of cfm, probably not. Obviously, the tri carbs were superior because GM used them for what, 2-3 years? Come on, baffle us with your bs.

I have a question: what unit of measurement results from torque (lb/ft) x gear ratio x gear ratio?

 

They were used on Olds for one year, 66 but Pontiac used them for several years including the 64-66 GtO's and big cars. The 66 Olds and Pontiac used the 3 large base carbs where the 65 and older used a small base center carb and large base end carbs. The large base carbs pull around 900 CFM.

What Pro is trying to do and getting at is is to say or prove my car was a POS and didn't run. That's his and the ******* from Canada's M O.

 

Still torque.

 

Right, my point was that the previous example was bs.

 

Yeah, I know how he tries to express his superiority. He probably does make decent power, but is it reliable? Dale's 307 was a max effort, and not necessarily practical, not to mention 35-40 years of engine technology since the 400.

 

Actually I do think it runs good, and especially if the factory cam was used, and we know the manifolds were used. You could shed some light on the internals and running weight and MPH and conditions your runs were made in. When you can restore a car to that caliber, and make runs like that, clearly it's far from a POS. The only thing I don't like is the discrepancy between the MPH and the ET, I would have worked with the clutch/trans more myself. But this takes nothing away from the coolness factor of the 1966 W-30, incredible car! Now as for your jumping to conclusions, I realize your old and grumpy, but not everyones out to get you, and I can guarantee there's no correspondence between Dale and I over my comments/posts, but really you should take it easy, its already been established you have skills, personally I'd like some details on your builds, I find it interesting. I can tell you one thing, if I saw that car at the track, I'd be the first one to Ck it out. Was your car a real Trac Pac car?

 

If its BS how does my C-10 long bed shop truck, with its two piece drive shaft and truck brakes @ 3970 pounds with a NA 350 with fuelie heads and a flat tappet cam run considerably quicker than your Olds?

 

There were 54 factory W30's built in 66 and there were kits sold over the counter and were called dealer installed by Olds. Some kits were dealer installed a most were installed by guys in their garage or driveway. My friends Don Henrichs and notable 66/67 guru Curt Anderson coined the term track pack way back in the day.
The car weighed 3920 #'s to make H/Top Stock and it had full exhaust with manifolds. All you could do to the heads was port match with no polishing. It had TRW heavy *** forged pistons, Harland Sharp rockers and the hydraulic cam came from Dave Smith and I do not remember the specs. It was not an all out race unit, I drove it on the street. It was basically a stock build with a nice valve job and the block was done on the CK10 with head plates. No lightening of the crank or rods. The car ran 12.70's on a 13,20 index and you couldn't dial down. I set the record @ 12.84 @ 107.11 MPH letting off.

 

That's easy: I drive my car. I could build something quicker, but there would be too many compromises. How many miles did you put on said truck last year? I did 8000 in a little over a month at the END of the season. The car has over 21k in the last 4 years when the new speedo went in. I take it to the track for fun. It runs on pump gas, and is comfortable on long trips.

 

Both are Oldsmobiles, both are around 10.5 comp, both have flat tappets, both have production heads? One does have headers were the other does not.

 

My truck is driven almost every day around town, it has a lot of miles on it I can't say for sure how much, its loud, its ok on comfortability, could I drive it cross county? Without a doubt I could, but would I want too, no way. What tracks did you race at in Texas? I also run pump gas.

 

I ran Ozark, Mo-Kan, Tulsa, Amarillo, Albuquerque, and Alien City. Probably could have messed with the carb for elevation, but I never even took the air cleaner off. It got a little (LOL) rich, but pulled through heights of 9200 in Los Alamos and 10600 in Vail.

 

Was this a vacation? What did you run @ Amarillo?

 

Yeah, I guess you could call it a vacation.
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I don't remember what the Amarillo pass was. I had to go get the windshield fixed= 1 and done. I was playing a long game. Texas was only 1/4 of the way home.

 

(First off know one's engine is **** !!!)

Mark. Given that the big block 455 is a long stroke relatively small bore engine with marginal crankshaft support how would you approach building one?.
You just finished a 455 Oldsmobile engine for a customer from my understanding you were not a fan of adding more stroke to the engine, what would you have done differently?

 

I'd build a 425 with a .921 lifter bore, considering my own engines are production iron headed, I was working on that before I got the wuhan flu.

 

Does adding stroke to an engine add greater loads to the engine than say adding rpm?

 

Thanks for the reply Mark.
So you would have the engine operate in a higher rpm.

 

I don't know about that, I just know the production Olds head will support 430 inches better than 460 inches, it's the same bore. In my way of thinking if I can get the peak HP up a few hundred more RPM and carry it out a few hundred more, then I can utilize more converter and more gear and run quicker down the dragstrip. BTW my last 454 dyno/drag test was incredible, I can PM you if your interested.

 

The personal attacks will stop either on your own or with forced vacations. Enough!

 

Thanks for sharing your thought process.

 

Who's attacking anyone?

 

People think farms, especially when animals are a retirement paradise, nope! My Mother In Law sold out their 200 head plus yearlings cattle farm in 2009. She used to get Christmas only where she didn't do farm work. Now she goes on multiple vacations a year. Rural life is great but it comes at a cost. Just cutting grass is a full time job.