Freshly Rebuilt "C" 455 Heads - With Pics
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Jim,
I have to be honest to you and the entire forum. I was ready to buy these heads tonight, and if I am making a mistake by making this comment I will still buy them. You had told me the heads were ported, then freshened up after, you stated that your car run high 10 second to low second passes in a 1/4 mile with these heads. I followed your build and last month you were still talking about swaping from a 350 to a 455 and buying aluminum heads. Your build threads do not mention you running any 455 motor or the head work, nor do they mention any time slips. If I ran a high 10 or low 11 I would be talking about it on the forum. I asked you multiple times if the heads had 2.07 valves and you said they had 2.007 valves? I feel you are being dishonest about the heads and performance. If I am wrong I will be the first to apologize, but dishonesty in a forum like this is wrong andshould not be accepted. in the time line of your build i do not see where you could have had the heads ported, run them and had them freshened up, then decide to go with an aluminum, when you were talking about an aluminum before you even started the build according to your threads.
I have to be honest to you and the entire forum. I was ready to buy these heads tonight, and if I am making a mistake by making this comment I will still buy them. You had told me the heads were ported, then freshened up after, you stated that your car run high 10 second to low second passes in a 1/4 mile with these heads. I followed your build and last month you were still talking about swaping from a 350 to a 455 and buying aluminum heads. Your build threads do not mention you running any 455 motor or the head work, nor do they mention any time slips. If I ran a high 10 or low 11 I would be talking about it on the forum. I asked you multiple times if the heads had 2.07 valves and you said they had 2.007 valves? I feel you are being dishonest about the heads and performance. If I am wrong I will be the first to apologize, but dishonesty in a forum like this is wrong andshould not be accepted. in the time line of your build i do not see where you could have had the heads ported, run them and had them freshened up, then decide to go with an aluminum, when you were talking about an aluminum before you even started the build according to your threads.
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Jim,
I have to be honest to you and the entire forum. I was ready to buy these heads tonight, and if I am making a mistake by making this comment I will still buy them. You had told me the heads were ported, then freshened up after, you stated that your car run high 10 second to low second passes in a 1/4 mile with these heads. Your build threads do not mention you running any 455 motor or the head work, nor do they mention any time slips. If I ran a high 10 or low 11 I would be talking about it on the forum. I asked you multiple times if the heads had 2.07 valves and you said they had 2.007 valves? I feel you are being dishonest about the heads and performance. If I am wrong I will be the first to apologize, but dishonesty in a forum like this is wrong andshould not be accepted.
I have to be honest to you and the entire forum. I was ready to buy these heads tonight, and if I am making a mistake by making this comment I will still buy them. You had told me the heads were ported, then freshened up after, you stated that your car run high 10 second to low second passes in a 1/4 mile with these heads. Your build threads do not mention you running any 455 motor or the head work, nor do they mention any time slips. If I ran a high 10 or low 11 I would be talking about it on the forum. I asked you multiple times if the heads had 2.07 valves and you said they had 2.007 valves? I feel you are being dishonest about the heads and performance. If I am wrong I will be the first to apologize, but dishonesty in a forum like this is wrong andshould not be accepted.
They look like nice heads, and a few pics with a micrometer and of the ports will end this debate gracefully.
In his pictures, it is obvious that the exhaust ports are not ported. BUT..... He did not say in the ad that they were. The list of machine work only mentions the "pockets" being blended. I took this to mean that only bowl port work was performed. SO.... are they ported?.....probably in the bowls. I cannot visually see that because the valves are installed, but I feel that his ad is not very misleading.
As far as claims of a 10 second pass with these heads..... that is not in this ad either, so unfortunately, that is hear-say at this juncture.
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I was told via phone conversation with the owner that the heads had been ported and that he ran a 10.80 with these heads with a 455 in his 75 olds his grandfather left him, he stated the bottom end was stock with a set of aftermarket pistons and edelbrock intake and 750 carb. When I emailed him back to state that time was not possible with the combo he replied to me he was running Nitrous. I followed his build thread and according to that and his posts he is still building a motor and running the stock 350 motor. he actually listed the heads for sale back in may or june, well before he even started building a 455. Upon further review I realized the seller is 17/18 years old. I do not think his ad is incorrect, but the stories he told me on the phone are in fact incorrect and in fact lies. I really enjoyed our phone conversation, he was a very polite young man but he told stories about the heads that could not be true
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The heads are worth a good chunk of change. Try building a set and then check that against the asking price.
As far as the rest of it goes, Most common folks who are not as experienced with 1/4 performance as those who have done this for a long time.
He is young. Cut him some slack.
I don't think of 1/4 mile times as truths or lies, only tall tails . . . I caught a fish that was . . . big!!
He listed what was done. He posted pics. He answered the valve size questions.
Sounds like a good set of heads.
Someone could probably get a good deal.
I have a set of rebuildable C heads. I'll take $175 for them. But you would be better off buying these.
I agree with J-chicago and oldsmorat have it right here.
Good luck on the sale. Try Craigslist too. Get some national exposure. I hate ebay! Pay 10 percent to sell on final cost including shipping costs.
As far as the rest of it goes, Most common folks who are not as experienced with 1/4 performance as those who have done this for a long time.
He is young. Cut him some slack.
I don't think of 1/4 mile times as truths or lies, only tall tails . . . I caught a fish that was . . . big!!
He listed what was done. He posted pics. He answered the valve size questions.
Sounds like a good set of heads.
Someone could probably get a good deal.
I have a set of rebuildable C heads. I'll take $175 for them. But you would be better off buying these.
I agree with J-chicago and oldsmorat have it right here.
Good luck on the sale. Try Craigslist too. Get some national exposure. I hate ebay! Pay 10 percent to sell on final cost including shipping costs.
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The heads are worth a good chunk of change. Try building a set and then check that against the asking price.
(I again never said that his price was too high)
As far as the rest of it goes, Most common folks who are not as experienced with 1/4 performance as those who have done this for a long time.
He is young. Cut him some slack. (regardless of age, People should be honest when dealing or selling used car parts, Am I expecting too much?)
I don't think of 1/4 mile times as truths or lies, only tall tails . . . I caught a fish that was . . . big!! ( That one lost me, if you ran a 12.50 you ran a 12.50 its pretty simple, if you caught a big fish, and it measured 22 inches, dont try to sell it to me claiming it is 36 inches.)
He listed what was done. He posted pics. He answered the valve size questions.
Sounds like a good set of heads.
Someone could probably get a good deal
(He did exactly that, the problem is that he claimed he ran some drag times using a head that he has never had on a motor, when you intentionally fictionate information to lure a buyer into making the purchase a lot of people would consider that a scam. POINT BLANK, I was told false, inaccurate, information, and I was told there were performance modifcations made on the heads that was in fact untrue, Thats the point I am trying to make. I have so far heard members of this forum say to drop it and cut him some slack which tends to make me think that being dishonest about parts for sale on this forum is an acceptable practice?)
I have a set of rebuildable C heads. I'll take $175 for them. But you would be better off buying these.
I agree with J-chicago and oldsmorat have it right here.
Good luck on the sale. Try Craigslist too. Get some national exposure. I hate ebay! Pay 10 percent to sell on final cost including shipping costs.
(I again never said that his price was too high)
As far as the rest of it goes, Most common folks who are not as experienced with 1/4 performance as those who have done this for a long time.
He is young. Cut him some slack. (regardless of age, People should be honest when dealing or selling used car parts, Am I expecting too much?)
I don't think of 1/4 mile times as truths or lies, only tall tails . . . I caught a fish that was . . . big!! ( That one lost me, if you ran a 12.50 you ran a 12.50 its pretty simple, if you caught a big fish, and it measured 22 inches, dont try to sell it to me claiming it is 36 inches.)
He listed what was done. He posted pics. He answered the valve size questions.
Sounds like a good set of heads.
Someone could probably get a good deal
(He did exactly that, the problem is that he claimed he ran some drag times using a head that he has never had on a motor, when you intentionally fictionate information to lure a buyer into making the purchase a lot of people would consider that a scam. POINT BLANK, I was told false, inaccurate, information, and I was told there were performance modifcations made on the heads that was in fact untrue, Thats the point I am trying to make. I have so far heard members of this forum say to drop it and cut him some slack which tends to make me think that being dishonest about parts for sale on this forum is an acceptable practice?)
I have a set of rebuildable C heads. I'll take $175 for them. But you would be better off buying these.
I agree with J-chicago and oldsmorat have it right here.
Good luck on the sale. Try Craigslist too. Get some national exposure. I hate ebay! Pay 10 percent to sell on final cost including shipping costs.
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I have been following this and I do not see too much of an issue...
The heads are for sale based on physical specs and machine work done, rather than ET's. For the price (~500), they look good, particularly for someone who just needs a good set of replacement heads.
Machine work and rebuilding is expensive.
If these were all dolled up for serious performance, I bet the price would be much higher, at least 2-3X.
To put it in perspective, a race ready Ford 2.3 head costs over 1500. ONE head, no cam.
Makes these look like quite a bargain.
While the mention of ET's were most likely a tall tale in relation to these heads, it should be considered as that and taken with a grain of salt.
Just know what you are buying spec-wise and decide if it is worth the price.
When I bought my Caddy over a decade ago, the salesman said the Bose stereo had over a dozen speakers throughout the car. Geez - i only found 4. I know he was wrong but the car was worth what i paid for...
The heads are for sale based on physical specs and machine work done, rather than ET's. For the price (~500), they look good, particularly for someone who just needs a good set of replacement heads.
Machine work and rebuilding is expensive.
If these were all dolled up for serious performance, I bet the price would be much higher, at least 2-3X.
To put it in perspective, a race ready Ford 2.3 head costs over 1500. ONE head, no cam.
Makes these look like quite a bargain.While the mention of ET's were most likely a tall tale in relation to these heads, it should be considered as that and taken with a grain of salt.
Just know what you are buying spec-wise and decide if it is worth the price.
When I bought my Caddy over a decade ago, the salesman said the Bose stereo had over a dozen speakers throughout the car. Geez - i only found 4. I know he was wrong but the car was worth what i paid for...
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I guess you guys are right, It should be acceptable, even commended to fictionate, facts about the items your selling! If I see or run into anyone being shady about their transactions or giving a false discription about their item I will pat them on the back, give them the high 5 and keep my mouth shut!
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I think that vetteguy did the right thing by alerting members to the contents of his conversation with the seller, and I also agree with ratchetmaster that now that he has done so, he has performed his service, as there ain't much more to be done.
I believe his point is not solely that the seller appears to have prevaricated regarding the performance of these heads, but that having done so, any other claims he may have made should be taken with a grain of salt by the "educated consumer" as well. Not that they are necessarily false, but that one should beware. I agree with this. People who lie to sell stuff seldom have very firm boundaries about what to lie about and what to be honest about.
Just my 2¢.
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I believe his point is not solely that the seller appears to have prevaricated regarding the performance of these heads, but that having done so, any other claims he may have made should be taken with a grain of salt by the "educated consumer" as well. Not that they are necessarily false, but that one should beware. I agree with this. People who lie to sell stuff seldom have very firm boundaries about what to lie about and what to be honest about.
Just my 2¢.
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I guess you guys are right, It should be acceptable, even commended to fictionate, facts about the items your selling! If I see or run into anyone being shady about their transactions or giving a false discription about their item I will pat them on the back, give them the high 5 and keep my mouth shut!
Dude . . . Chill! You are missing the point.
He has been honest about the heads.
He has not been honest (some consider just about all stories concerning et's from many as just that . . . stories) as you say about the ET times.
Thanks for sharing this info.
But I think anyone with knowledge about drag racing like you know that et claims should always be "taken with a grain of salt" as Lady72nRob71 stated.
This may have altered your opinion about the whole thing and you are just trying to share info that you learned.
This may or may not change what someone interested in the heads thinks.
For me, it doesn't.
For you?
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I have to be honest to you and the entire forum. I was ready to buy these heads tonight, and if I am making a mistake by making this comment I will still buy them.
One thing we have learned is that if you sell anything on this forum, you will be an honest person to deal with. No doubt about that.
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Dude . . . Chill! You are missing the point.
He has been honest about the heads. (and you know this how?)
He has not been honest (some consider just about all stories concerning et's from many as just that . . . stories) as you say about the ET times.
Thanks for sharing this info.
(He was dishonest about the heads being ported and polished, he was dishonest about his ET, and biggest of all he was dishonest about even running the heads. He does not even have a 455 in the car, and he had the heads for sale way before he started working on a 455.)
The way I see it I was misinformed about three things, If I am going to dump 500-600 dollars im going to probably not do it with someone that hes been dishonest with me. You may enjoy or even make a hobby out of giving people money that are dishonest to you but I think the majority of the people out there will become leery of someone or a product once they have been told three ficticious stories in one conversation.
I dont know what drag racers you have been hanging around with but the ones I know are straight up, and produce documentation and time slips when they trade or sell parts. I think its a shame that people have made you take their ET's "with a grain of salt" Its almost as if your saying "If your a drag racer your a liar, But you should buy these heads that the owner fictionated stories about"
But I think anyone with knowledge about drag racing like you know that et claims should always be "taken with a grain of salt" as Lady72nRob71 stated.
This may have altered your opinion about the whole thing and you are just trying to share info that you learned.
This may or may not change what someone interested in the heads thinks.
For me, it doesn't.
For you?
real57vetteguy quote
I'd say buy the heads and chalk up his inexperience (inexperiance? I dont recall any part of the conversation or my issue being due to any inexperiance) as a fault he has. But don't condemn him for it. (I will certainly condemn anyone that changes the condition, description, or functional ability of an item just to make a quick sale) The heads appear to be good heads.
One thing we have learned is that if you sell anything on this forum, you will be an honest person to deal with. No doubt about that.
Dude . . . Chill! You are missing the point.
He has been honest about the heads. (and you know this how?)
He has not been honest (some consider just about all stories concerning et's from many as just that . . . stories) as you say about the ET times.
Thanks for sharing this info.
(He was dishonest about the heads being ported and polished, he was dishonest about his ET, and biggest of all he was dishonest about even running the heads. He does not even have a 455 in the car, and he had the heads for sale way before he started working on a 455.)
The way I see it I was misinformed about three things, If I am going to dump 500-600 dollars im going to probably not do it with someone that hes been dishonest with me. You may enjoy or even make a hobby out of giving people money that are dishonest to you but I think the majority of the people out there will become leery of someone or a product once they have been told three ficticious stories in one conversation.
I dont know what drag racers you have been hanging around with but the ones I know are straight up, and produce documentation and time slips when they trade or sell parts. I think its a shame that people have made you take their ET's "with a grain of salt" Its almost as if your saying "If your a drag racer your a liar, But you should buy these heads that the owner fictionated stories about"
But I think anyone with knowledge about drag racing like you know that et claims should always be "taken with a grain of salt" as Lady72nRob71 stated.
This may have altered your opinion about the whole thing and you are just trying to share info that you learned.
This may or may not change what someone interested in the heads thinks.
For me, it doesn't.
For you?
real57vetteguy quote
I'd say buy the heads and chalk up his inexperience (inexperiance? I dont recall any part of the conversation or my issue being due to any inexperiance) as a fault he has. But don't condemn him for it. (I will certainly condemn anyone that changes the condition, description, or functional ability of an item just to make a quick sale) The heads appear to be good heads.
One thing we have learned is that if you sell anything on this forum, you will be an honest person to deal with. No doubt about that.
I am considering buying a set of edelbrocks, I spoke with Rocket Racing and was told if I could pickup a good set of stock early heads that they could make them flow better than a stock edelbrock head, Seeing that I am looking for performance gains for my 455 build, and the lengthy amount of time that those heads had been for sale, I figured it was worth a call to get some detailed info about the heads. Upon speaking to the owner when I informed him that I was considering Edelbrocks, or looking for a C head to send to Rocket racing. At that time is when I was told about the porting and polishing, and the 10.80's. Now my point is, the owner fictionated 3 stories to try to sell the heads as something that they werent. Are they worth it to me just to ship to Rocket racing and have them torn down completly NO, Would they be worth it if what he told me was true YES YES YES! Now does that help clarify my issue?
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ENOUGH ALREADY GUYS !!! AT LEAST THIS GUYS ADD IS BEING SEEN BY THE ENTIRE FORUM NOW.
WE HAVE VETTES 2 Cents AND THATS ALL IT WAS AND THANKS FOR THE HEADS UP, DOUBTFULL THAT IT CHANGES ANYONESS OPINION ABOUT THE HEADS IF THEY WERE GOING TO BUY THEM FOR A STOCK BUILD ANYWAYS.
YOU HAD MY 2 CENTS PRIOR TO VETTES, GOOD HEADS AND PRICE FOR SOMEONE ON A DATED STOCK REBUILD OF A 455.
IF YOUR LOOKING FOR GREAT E.T.S BUY ALUMINUM OR BRING A THICK WALLET FOR HEAD WORK, MAYBE 2500 AND DONT BE SUPRISED IF THEY DONT LAST, DEPENDING ON WORK QUALITY.
YOUR BUYING USED HEADS WHAT YOU SEE IS WHAT YOU GET THATS WHY THEY ARE $450, HELL THE SHIPPER IS MAKING MORE OFF THE HEADS THAN THE SELLER.
HATS OFF TO THE SELLER, FOR NOT ADDING HIS 2 CENTS AND BASHING VETTE ON THE FORUM, MUST NOT BE A BAD PERSON. IF HE DID TELL A TALE TELL ABOUT E.TS HE WONT BE THE FIRST OR LAST GUY.
I HAD A SET OF STOCK BIG BLOCK HEADS THAT WERE SLIGHLTY PORTED THAT RAN 9.7 IN THE 1/4 MILE IN MY CHEVY DRAG CAR , THATS NOT A TALE BUT FACT. (YOUTUBE-BILLS MALIBU). IF YOU PUT THEM ON A PUMP GAS MOTOR(LOW COMP) IN A FULL STREET CAR WOULD BE ROUGH TO GET IN THE 11'S.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, ITS JUST A SET OF USED HEADS FOR SALE BY ONE GUYS, BUY THEM IF YOU NEED THEM, DONT BUY THEM IF YOU DONT WANT TO.
I HOPE VETTER YOU FIND WHAT YOUR LOOKING FOR AND THIS GUY FINDS A HOME FOR HIS C HEADS.
ENOUGH ALREADY GUYS !!! AT LEAST THIS GUYS ADD IS BEING SEEN BY THE ENTIRE FORUM NOW.
WE HAVE VETTES 2 Cents AND THATS ALL IT WAS AND THANKS FOR THE HEADS UP, DOUBTFULL THAT IT CHANGES ANYONESS OPINION ABOUT THE HEADS IF THEY WERE GOING TO BUY THEM FOR A STOCK BUILD ANYWAYS.
YOU HAD MY 2 CENTS PRIOR TO VETTES, GOOD HEADS AND PRICE FOR SOMEONE ON A DATED STOCK REBUILD OF A 455.
IF YOUR LOOKING FOR GREAT E.T.S BUY ALUMINUM OR BRING A THICK WALLET FOR HEAD WORK, MAYBE 2500 AND DONT BE SUPRISED IF THEY DONT LAST, DEPENDING ON WORK QUALITY.
YOUR BUYING USED HEADS WHAT YOU SEE IS WHAT YOU GET THATS WHY THEY ARE $450, HELL THE SHIPPER IS MAKING MORE OFF THE HEADS THAN THE SELLER.
HATS OFF TO THE SELLER, FOR NOT ADDING HIS 2 CENTS AND BASHING VETTE ON THE FORUM, MUST NOT BE A BAD PERSON. IF HE DID TELL A TALE TELL ABOUT E.TS HE WONT BE THE FIRST OR LAST GUY.
I HAD A SET OF STOCK BIG BLOCK HEADS THAT WERE SLIGHLTY PORTED THAT RAN 9.7 IN THE 1/4 MILE IN MY CHEVY DRAG CAR , THATS NOT A TALE BUT FACT. (YOUTUBE-BILLS MALIBU). IF YOU PUT THEM ON A PUMP GAS MOTOR(LOW COMP) IN A FULL STREET CAR WOULD BE ROUGH TO GET IN THE 11'S.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, ITS JUST A SET OF USED HEADS FOR SALE BY ONE GUYS, BUY THEM IF YOU NEED THEM, DONT BUY THEM IF YOU DONT WANT TO.
I HOPE VETTER YOU FIND WHAT YOUR LOOKING FOR AND THIS GUY FINDS A HOME FOR HIS C HEADS.
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