The Truth About Anti-Clunker Legislation
November 1st, 2004, 08:01 PM
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The Truth About Anti-Clunker Legislation
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...Anti-Clunker legislation is the broad based term being applied to various programs designed to remove antique and classic autos from the road in the name of environmental safety.
....Did you know at this very moment there are lawmakers on the municipal, State and Federal levels that would seek to deprive you of your rights to own and drive a classic car? Anti-Clunker legislation is the broad based term being applied to various programs designed to remove antique and classic autos from the road in the name of environmental safety. While we strongly agree that future generations do have every right to clean air and water, collector cars do not significantly contribute to the overall majority of pollutants in todays world. The old car hobby faces a bleak future if people do not speak out for their rights NOW !
------Here's What You Need to Know...
The majority of funds allocated for lobbying efforts are spent not by well meaning environmental groups, but by oil companies who seek to receive pollution credits for each car that is scrapped! Oil companies can then use their carbon allocations to continue polluting the air we breathe and the fragile marine environments that feed our world.
.....There are many State and local politicians seeking to use archaic nuisance laws to remove the millions of classic cars that await restoration. By declaring a vehicle parked on private property an eyesore, the government may force the owners, often elderly people on fixed incomes, to prove that these vehicles are in proper running order or face forfeiture? ....How many collectors have fond memories of buying their first Chevy from the nice old ladies and gentlemen who were glad to see their treasured car, that held so many happy memories, go to a young person who would lovingly restore the car to showroom new condition? Is it fair to deprive owners and collectors of project cars awaiting restoration just because they can’t restore a car quickly enough to
please the local bureaucrats?
.........In the mid 1950s and early 60s you could buy a 12 cylinder custom bodied Packard or Cadillac V16 for less than $200.00. ....Back
then, these hand crafted classics were considered old junkers today these priceless relics are rolling pieces of automotive history, displayed in world class museums and sometimes exchanging hands for millions of dollars! Is it fair to deprive a wide-eyed 16 year old the right to experience the exhilaration of hauling home a 64 Impala to fix up with dad and the proud day when
the project is completed? We think not.
-----Here's What You Can Do...
..Each and every hobbyist has a responsibility to his or herself, as well as future generations, to speak up now in order to preserve our rights to share this unique slice of American culture with others. Cars are not just transportation, they are time machines that transport us back to our first prom in Dad's Bel Air, or family trips in the back of a wagon. From weddings to bringing home our firstborn children, these machines have been there for us. It would truly be a great loss, for all of those who have lived, loved, and traveled the roadway of life, if these great autos were forever condemned to the scrap heap, like so much rubbish. .......Don't let the lawmakers send your memories to the junkyard. We have listed several groups by region for you to contact to find out what you can do to get involved. You can also contact your local representatives and senators to voice your opposition to Anti-Clunker legislation. Help stop this shameful assault on the American car! ..........Join Classic Industries® in fighting the Anti-Clunker laws and help keep our hobby alive!
---Auto Restoration Market Organization----
...Council of SEMA
Legislative Affairs P.O. Box 4910
Diamond Bar, California 91765-0910
(909) 396-0289 Fax909) 860-0184
Email: member@sema.org
Web: www.sema.org American Auto Heritage Foundation
P.O. Box 482
Carlisle, Pennsylvania 17013-0482
(717) 240-0976 Fax717) 240-0931 ----Citizens Against Repressive Zoning
P.O. Box 536
Haslett, Michigan 48840-0536
(517) 351-6751 Fax517) 339-4926
Email: malzoning@aol.com
Web: http://clubs.hemmings.com
-----Clean Air Performance Professionals
Public Relations ..84 Hoy Avenue
Fords, New Jersey 08863
(732) 738-7859 Fax732) 738-7625
Email: stellacapp@earthlink.net
Web: http://clubs.hemmings.com --------Coalition for Auto Repair Equality
119 Oronoco Street, Suite 300
Alexandria, Virginia 22314-2015
(800) 229-5380 Fax703) 519-7747
Email: care@careauto.org
Web: www.careauto.org
-----COVA/CVAG Inc.
P.O. Box 2136
West Paterson, New Jersey 07424-3311
(800) 227-7166 Fax973) 279-3779
Email: info@covacvag.org
Web: www.covacvag.org
-----National Motorists Association
402 West 2nd Street
Waunakee, Wisconsin 53597-1342
(60 849-6000 Fax60 849-8697
Email: nma@motorists.com
Web: www.motorists.com
----SEMA Action Network (SAN)
1317 F Street NW, Suite 550
Washington, DC 20004
(202) 783-6007 Fax202) 783-6024
Web: www.semasan.com
-----World Organization of Auto Hobbyists
P.O. Box 1331
Palm Desert, California 92261
(619) 346-1984 Fax619) 568-6534
[ November 01, 2004: Message edited by: NWG-body ]</p>
------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------
...Anti-Clunker legislation is the broad based term being applied to various programs designed to remove antique and classic autos from the road in the name of environmental safety.
....Did you know at this very moment there are lawmakers on the municipal, State and Federal levels that would seek to deprive you of your rights to own and drive a classic car? Anti-Clunker legislation is the broad based term being applied to various programs designed to remove antique and classic autos from the road in the name of environmental safety. While we strongly agree that future generations do have every right to clean air and water, collector cars do not significantly contribute to the overall majority of pollutants in todays world. The old car hobby faces a bleak future if people do not speak out for their rights NOW !
------Here's What You Need to Know...
The majority of funds allocated for lobbying efforts are spent not by well meaning environmental groups, but by oil companies who seek to receive pollution credits for each car that is scrapped! Oil companies can then use their carbon allocations to continue polluting the air we breathe and the fragile marine environments that feed our world.
.....There are many State and local politicians seeking to use archaic nuisance laws to remove the millions of classic cars that await restoration. By declaring a vehicle parked on private property an eyesore, the government may force the owners, often elderly people on fixed incomes, to prove that these vehicles are in proper running order or face forfeiture? ....How many collectors have fond memories of buying their first Chevy from the nice old ladies and gentlemen who were glad to see their treasured car, that held so many happy memories, go to a young person who would lovingly restore the car to showroom new condition? Is it fair to deprive owners and collectors of project cars awaiting restoration just because they can’t restore a car quickly enough to
please the local bureaucrats?
.........In the mid 1950s and early 60s you could buy a 12 cylinder custom bodied Packard or Cadillac V16 for less than $200.00. ....Back
then, these hand crafted classics were considered old junkers today these priceless relics are rolling pieces of automotive history, displayed in world class museums and sometimes exchanging hands for millions of dollars! Is it fair to deprive a wide-eyed 16 year old the right to experience the exhilaration of hauling home a 64 Impala to fix up with dad and the proud day when
the project is completed? We think not.
-----Here's What You Can Do...
..Each and every hobbyist has a responsibility to his or herself, as well as future generations, to speak up now in order to preserve our rights to share this unique slice of American culture with others. Cars are not just transportation, they are time machines that transport us back to our first prom in Dad's Bel Air, or family trips in the back of a wagon. From weddings to bringing home our firstborn children, these machines have been there for us. It would truly be a great loss, for all of those who have lived, loved, and traveled the roadway of life, if these great autos were forever condemned to the scrap heap, like so much rubbish. .......Don't let the lawmakers send your memories to the junkyard. We have listed several groups by region for you to contact to find out what you can do to get involved. You can also contact your local representatives and senators to voice your opposition to Anti-Clunker legislation. Help stop this shameful assault on the American car! ..........Join Classic Industries® in fighting the Anti-Clunker laws and help keep our hobby alive!
---Auto Restoration Market Organization----
...Council of SEMA
Legislative Affairs P.O. Box 4910
Diamond Bar, California 91765-0910
(909) 396-0289 Fax909) 860-0184
Email: member@sema.org
Web: www.sema.org American Auto Heritage Foundation
P.O. Box 482
Carlisle, Pennsylvania 17013-0482
(717) 240-0976 Fax717) 240-0931 ----Citizens Against Repressive Zoning
P.O. Box 536
Haslett, Michigan 48840-0536
(517) 351-6751 Fax517) 339-4926
Email: malzoning@aol.com
Web: http://clubs.hemmings.com
-----Clean Air Performance Professionals
Public Relations ..84 Hoy Avenue
Fords, New Jersey 08863
(732) 738-7859 Fax732) 738-7625
Email: stellacapp@earthlink.net
Web: http://clubs.hemmings.com --------Coalition for Auto Repair Equality
119 Oronoco Street, Suite 300
Alexandria, Virginia 22314-2015
(800) 229-5380 Fax703) 519-7747
Email: care@careauto.org
Web: www.careauto.org
-----COVA/CVAG Inc.
P.O. Box 2136
West Paterson, New Jersey 07424-3311
(800) 227-7166 Fax973) 279-3779
Email: info@covacvag.org
Web: www.covacvag.org
-----National Motorists Association
402 West 2nd Street
Waunakee, Wisconsin 53597-1342
(60 849-6000 Fax60 849-8697
Email: nma@motorists.com
Web: www.motorists.com
----SEMA Action Network (SAN)
1317 F Street NW, Suite 550
Washington, DC 20004
(202) 783-6007 Fax202) 783-6024
Web: www.semasan.com
-----World Organization of Auto Hobbyists
P.O. Box 1331
Palm Desert, California 92261
(619) 346-1984 Fax619) 568-6534
[ November 01, 2004: Message edited by: NWG-body ]</p>
March 24th, 2008, 07:39 AM
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OK, let's take a breath. While I don't agree with anti-clunker laws, the reality is they are NOT designed to take antiques and classics off the road. They are really designed to allow fixed emissions sources (ie, power plants, manufacturing plants, etc) to purchase emissions credits that allow them to keep emitting since they have theoretically removed an equivalent amount of pollution from the environment. How a non-running old car emits ANYTHING (well, except for rust fumes) is beyond be, but the lawmakers and their big business friends have convinced the general public that this is a good thing. The fact that it helps sell more cars is probably not lost on them either.
As for "tree huggers", again, I'd be the last person to be accused of being one, but once you have kids, you do want to be sure they will have air to breathe in their old age.
As for "tree huggers", again, I'd be the last person to be accused of being one, but once you have kids, you do want to be sure they will have air to breathe in their old age.
March 24th, 2008, 08:04 AM
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I did my college thesis on this topic.
I actually turned a 'tree hugging hippie' (my professor)
into a believer in preservation over removing these cars.
When you factor in, the energy that goes into removing, scrapping,
shipping, refining, building an polluting... turning old cars into
new ones doesn't actually make much sense. It would actually
be more environmentally sound to retro-fit cars with better engines
and not trade up every 3 years.
What really bothered me about this whole thing was the EPA.
(and believe me, I read tomes on this subject!)
This is supposed to be our government representative in the quest
for a cleaner, longer lasting environment.
These people have almost ZERO genuine interest in the subject.
They are there to appease big industry and keep their coffers full.
It doesn't take a Rocket Scientist(sorry Olds guys!) to realize junking a
non running vehicle doesn't equal 1 ounce of Big Business pollution.
I actually turned a 'tree hugging hippie' (my professor)
into a believer in preservation over removing these cars.
When you factor in, the energy that goes into removing, scrapping,
shipping, refining, building an polluting... turning old cars into
new ones doesn't actually make much sense. It would actually
be more environmentally sound to retro-fit cars with better engines
and not trade up every 3 years.
What really bothered me about this whole thing was the EPA.
(and believe me, I read tomes on this subject!)
This is supposed to be our government representative in the quest
for a cleaner, longer lasting environment.
These people have almost ZERO genuine interest in the subject.
They are there to appease big industry and keep their coffers full.
It doesn't take a Rocket Scientist(sorry Olds guys!) to realize junking a
non running vehicle doesn't equal 1 ounce of Big Business pollution.
March 24th, 2008, 09:23 AM
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I think I would agree with the last Rallye469, I begin to realize that there are some "partnerships" made between business, government, and yes even consumer groups. In the case of this subject, keeping everyone in a new car every 3 years is a goal that satisfies all three groups. Automakers get their share, Government can appear to be protecting us, and the consumer groups appear to be "green"; also, the banking industry doesn't mind financing a new car for all of us every three years. Keep the masses happy. I would rather drive my old car.
March 24th, 2008, 11:46 AM
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In reality, I tried to buy a used one at the time, and the only ones I could find were only a few thousand dollars less than the new one. Of course it now has 200,000 miles on it and I'm trying to figure out how to do a smog-legal 502 swap.
I had a revelation recently when I realized that the newest vehicle I have today is both older and has twice as many miles on it as the 68 Vista Cruiser that I got as my first car in 1974.
I'm also looking for one of the T-shirts that were available a number of years ago that said "Hotrodders - the original recyclers".
March 24th, 2008, 04:25 PM
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Entertaining evening reading for pessimists
This might be old news to most people on this list, but the State of California is currently suing the EPA for refusing to let California set its own (more stringent) auto emissions targets: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7169200.stm
Bizarre. I mean, I could understand the EPAs refusal if the state wanted to pollute more, but it's going the other way -- above and beyond federal goals, but the EPA says no.
This is not the first time in recent memory where the EPA has been sued for acting contrary to its stated mission: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6519923.stm
Bizarre. I mean, I could understand the EPAs refusal if the state wanted to pollute more, but it's going the other way -- above and beyond federal goals, but the EPA says no.
This is not the first time in recent memory where the EPA has been sued for acting contrary to its stated mission: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6519923.stm
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