1958 Oldsmobile 88 fiesta wagon
#1
1958 Oldsmobile Dynamic 88 Fiesta Sedan
Good morning, Mirko from Italy. Buy this car from my italian friend. Want restore engine and mechanic, restore body but no totally repaint. Can send me some seller to buy mechanic complete kit? Brake, front/rear end kit? Thanks to all.
Last edited by Mirko 73; December 23rd, 2019 at 04:47 PM.
#4
Ciao!
Kanter Auto Parts is a good source in the US for suspension and brake parts.
https://www.kanter.com/index.aspx
Kanter Auto Parts is a good source in the US for suspension and brake parts.
https://www.kanter.com/index.aspx
#5
This version of the '58 wagon is even more rare now than yours IMO. I had a hard time finding a photo on the web, yet the hardtop like you have is easy to find photos of.
#6
Now if you're talking to non Oldsmobile people, I might say '58 Oldsmobile Dynamic 88 hardtop wagon because they don't know the Oldsmobile marketing code words. You could also throw the 4 door in there if you like, but the vast majority of station wagons produced in America were 4 door, so to most people wagon means 4 doors. If you happen to actually have a 2 door wagon, then I would definitely throw in the "2 door" because they are more rare and in my mind special.
It's still a lot to say, so most just say- I have a '58 Olds 88 wagon. As the conversation continues, you can further define the trim level and the roof configuration.
#7
Sure looks like a post inside to me.
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#8
You know, I didn't look that close. It does look like a post car so it wouldn't be a Holiday. I think you're right. I like post cars because the doors sound better when they shut and the windows work better. On a daily driver I vastly prefer a post car. For a show car I prefer a hardtop. Like I said, these post wagons seem to be pretty rare these days. My books say they sold 3249 Dynamic post wagons like this and 3323 Dynamic Holidays and 5175 Super Holidays, there were no Super 88 post wagons so even back in the day they were more rare.
#9
Here are great examples of the differences between a "post" car (sometimes referred to as a sedan) and hardtop. There is also a 2 door sedan or a 2 door hardtop. Hardtops in Oldsmobile jargon are referred to as "Holiday" hardtop. Sedans (with visible support) are sometimes called "Sport Coupe".
When front and rear windows on the same side are in a lowered position, no vertical support post is visible. This is called a "Holiday" hardtop. As is shown in the picture below.
This is an example of what a "post" car looks like when both windows are lowered on the same side. There is a vertical support structure visible. See the picture below.
Also shop manual is find
When front and rear windows on the same side are in a lowered position, no vertical support post is visible. This is called a "Holiday" hardtop. As is shown in the picture below.
This is an example of what a "post" car looks like when both windows are lowered on the same side. There is a vertical support structure visible. See the picture below.
Also shop manual is find
#10
It's just a nick name, or slang term for a sedan body type vs. a hardtop body type. It refers to the B pillar that is between the front door and the rear door. Somebody, somewhere started calling that pillar a post and it stuck. Now people will often refer to a non-hardtop as a "post car".
#11
There are a few in my area, Ohio. One was lost recently in a garage fire, a fully restored car.
HOLY CRAP ON A CRACKER! YOUR CAR HAS AIR-RIDE!. Are the bladders still in place and functioning? Many were converted to spring and shock absorbers later in used-car life. Next time you have it up on the lift perhaps a few pics of the front and rear suspension.
Good luck ~ CW
EDIT: I concur Dynamic 88. The 7 in the VIN indicates this, and with a two-barrel carb it would not be a Super anyway, which would have a 8 in the vin regardless. Probably single exhaust standard equipment factory. I think that is correct.
HOLY CRAP ON A CRACKER! YOUR CAR HAS AIR-RIDE!. Are the bladders still in place and functioning? Many were converted to spring and shock absorbers later in used-car life. Next time you have it up on the lift perhaps a few pics of the front and rear suspension.
Good luck ~ CW
EDIT: I concur Dynamic 88. The 7 in the VIN indicates this, and with a two-barrel carb it would not be a Super anyway, which would have a 8 in the vin regardless. Probably single exhaust standard equipment factory. I think that is correct.
Last edited by coldwar; December 9th, 2019 at 08:30 AM.
#14
If you never find the body plate, you usually can find places on the car that will have examples of the original paint still there. Once you find those colors, you can compare it to this chart. These are the factory colors for the 1958 Oldsmobile-
#15
SMS fabrics can supply original cloth and vinyl to re-upholster this car .
If the original upholstery matches what is on this page then the trim number was 367 ;
https://smsautofabrics.com/collectio...wagon+trim-367
If the original upholstery matches what is on this page then the trim number was 367 ;
https://smsautofabrics.com/collectio...wagon+trim-367
#16
Have you joined the Oldsmobile Club of America yet? I suspect there might be folks there with a lot of knowledge that don't go on the web much. I'd like to help you, but I'm no '58 expert.
#17
I think your model number would be just 3693 with no "D" suffix. The D is for the Super 88. A long time ago the D stood for Deluxe. Your car is not a Super 88 because it is not a hardtop and the sedan, or "post" version of the wagon was only offered in the Dynamic 88 series. AT least this is what my books tell me.
From you pictures you posted, it looks to me that the body color of your car was originally Desert Glow, or number 65 on the chip chart, based on the inside of the driver's door and the door threshold. It looks like the right passenger door and the tailgate might have been Banff Blue, so they may be replacements from another car. I think the green on your car is not factory.
You'll have to do some automotive archeology on your car and get down under the top paint job to find out the true, original color of your car. Any area that does not bolt on, like the doors, or the hood for example, is a good place to look. So that means the door jams, the roof and the quarter panels are good places to get out your scraper, sandpaper, or a place to remove and look under trim. On a car like this one with so much trim, I bet whoever painted it last time just masked off the trim rather than remove it, so you may see the original paint under there.
From you pictures you posted, it looks to me that the body color of your car was originally Desert Glow, or number 65 on the chip chart, based on the inside of the driver's door and the door threshold. It looks like the right passenger door and the tailgate might have been Banff Blue, so they may be replacements from another car. I think the green on your car is not factory.
You'll have to do some automotive archeology on your car and get down under the top paint job to find out the true, original color of your car. Any area that does not bolt on, like the doors, or the hood for example, is a good place to look. So that means the door jams, the roof and the quarter panels are good places to get out your scraper, sandpaper, or a place to remove and look under trim. On a car like this one with so much trim, I bet whoever painted it last time just masked off the trim rather than remove it, so you may see the original paint under there.
#18
BODY No
TRIM GREEN
PAINT 30-31 30 IS SURF GREEN LOWER COLOR
31 IS ALLEGHENY GREEN UPPER COLOR
Last edited by Ancient Iron; December 22nd, 2019 at 09:07 AM.
#20
Mirko,
Here is some information from the Oldsmobile parts book that may help you .
This first page shows the model identification ;
From this information , it can be determined that the correct style number is STYLE 58 3693 .
From the papers you posted the VIN number is 587M21266 . This would mean that this car was assembled at Lansing Michigan , and was the 20,266 th Dynamic 88
assembled there .
Here is more info on the body ;
And finally , here is some information on the interior trim ;
Here is some information from the Oldsmobile parts book that may help you .
This first page shows the model identification ;
From this information , it can be determined that the correct style number is STYLE 58 3693 .
From the papers you posted the VIN number is 587M21266 . This would mean that this car was assembled at Lansing Michigan , and was the 20,266 th Dynamic 88
assembled there .
Here is more info on the body ;
And finally , here is some information on the interior trim ;
#21
The whole parts book can be downloaded for FREE here ;
https://classicoldsmobile.com/forums/tech-editors-desk-42/1963-oldsmobile-parts-accessories-catalog-chassis-edition-13150
And here ;
https://classicoldsmobile.com/forums...dition-131503/
https://classicoldsmobile.com/forums/tech-editors-desk-42/1963-oldsmobile-parts-accessories-catalog-chassis-edition-13150
And here ;
https://classicoldsmobile.com/forums...dition-131503/
Last edited by Charlie Jones; December 22nd, 2019 at 05:42 PM.
#22
Mirko ,
Here is something else I found out about Oldsmobile station wagons ;
" Ionia supplied Oldsmobile with station wagon bodies beginning in 1957, producing 143,696 station wagon bodies through 1964. "
So your Olds would have an Ionia body , rather than a Fisher body.
Ionia body tags were different than Fisher body tags and may have been mounted in a different location .
The whole article is here ;
http://www.coachbuilt.com/bui/i/ionia/ionia.htm
Look through the first few pages of the 1958 Oldsmobile Shop Manual , that you have .
You may find more information there .
Here is something else I found out about Oldsmobile station wagons ;
" Ionia supplied Oldsmobile with station wagon bodies beginning in 1957, producing 143,696 station wagon bodies through 1964. "
So your Olds would have an Ionia body , rather than a Fisher body.
Ionia body tags were different than Fisher body tags and may have been mounted in a different location .
The whole article is here ;
http://www.coachbuilt.com/bui/i/ionia/ionia.htm
Look through the first few pages of the 1958 Oldsmobile Shop Manual , that you have .
You may find more information there .
Last edited by Charlie Jones; December 22nd, 2019 at 06:48 PM.
#23
If you can't find them in Europe , Coker tire has them in USA . Some with wide whitewalls .
https://www.cokertire.com/tires.html...=Coker%20Tires
Last edited by Charlie Jones; January 3rd, 2020 at 03:34 PM.
#25
Try Restoration specialties ;
https://www.restorationspecialties.com/
They have a PDF catalog that you can download . Their primary business is molding clips , screws , fasteners , etc .
https://www.restorationspecialties.com/
They have a PDF catalog that you can download . Their primary business is molding clips , screws , fasteners , etc .
#31
Hello. I used to own this exact car. I am very excited to see it getting the attention it deserved.
I bought the car in ~2001 from Toronto Canada and I imported it to the US. I sold the car ~2010 and it was shipped to Europe.
Also, I don't think that the green is the original color. I think that it was a peach color, like what you see in the door jambs. If I remember right, there is a plate on the firewall with the paint codes.
I bought the car in ~2001 from Toronto Canada and I imported it to the US. I sold the car ~2010 and it was shipped to Europe.
Also, I don't think that the green is the original color. I think that it was a peach color, like what you see in the door jambs. If I remember right, there is a plate on the firewall with the paint codes.
Last edited by oldsfiesta1958; July 9th, 2021 at 09:30 AM.
#32
This car was previously used in a movie "Parents"
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_153240...esta-1958.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_153240...esta-1958.html
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