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Good morning, Mirko from Italy. Buy this car from my italian friend. Want restore engine and mechanic, restore body but no totally repaint. Can send me some seller to buy mechanic complete kit? Brake, front/rear end kit? Thanks to all.
Last edited by Mirko 73; Dec 23, 2019 at 04:47 PM.
Good morning, there are differences btwin this two models? Thanks
1958 OLDSMOBILE DYNAMIC 88 FIESTA 4-dr Holiday hardtop station wagon
1958 OLDSMOBILE DYNAMIC 88 FIESTA 4-dr station wagon
The main difference is, the Holiday is a hardtop like yours, meaning no "B" pillar, or post between the front doors and the back doors and the other wagon is not a hardtop and there is a post there. Here is what that wagon looks like-
This version of the '58 wagon is even more rare now than yours IMO. I had a hard time finding a photo on the web, yet the hardtop like you have is easy to find photos of.
very thanks to all, so my correct model name is:
1958 OLDSMOBILE DYNAMIC 88 FIESTA 4-dr Holiday hardtop station wagon
Correct. It just depends on whom you're talking to how much might want to say. If you're talking savvy Oldsmobile people you could shorten that to just "'58 Oldsmobile Dynamic 88 Fiesta Holiday". They know Fiesta means station wagon and Holiday means hardtop. The 4 door part is omitted because Olds never made any 2 door wagons in '58.
Now if you're talking to non Oldsmobile people, I might say '58 Oldsmobile Dynamic 88 hardtop wagon because they don't know the Oldsmobile marketing code words. You could also throw the 4 door in there if you like, but the vast majority of station wagons produced in America were 4 door, so to most people wagon means 4 doors. If you happen to actually have a 2 door wagon, then I would definitely throw in the "2 door" because they are more rare and in my mind special.
It's still a lot to say, so most just say- I have a '58 Olds 88 wagon. As the conversation continues, you can further define the trim level and the roof configuration.
You know, I didn't look that close. It does look like a post car so it wouldn't be a Holiday. I think you're right. I like post cars because the doors sound better when they shut and the windows work better. On a daily driver I vastly prefer a post car. For a show car I prefer a hardtop. Like I said, these post wagons seem to be pretty rare these days. My books say they sold 3249 Dynamic post wagons like this and 3323 Dynamic Holidays and 5175 Super Holidays, there were no Super 88 post wagons so even back in the day they were more rare.
Here are great examples of the differences between a "post" car (sometimes referred to as a sedan) and hardtop. There is also a 2 door sedan or a 2 door hardtop. Hardtops in Oldsmobile jargon are referred to as "Holiday" hardtop. Sedans (with visible support) are sometimes called "Sport Coupe".
When front and rear windows on the same side are in a lowered position, no vertical support post is visible. This is called a "Holiday" hardtop. As is shown in the picture below.
This is an example of what a "post" car looks like when both windows are lowered on the same side. There is a vertical support structure visible. See the picture below. Also shop manual is find
thanks for help Mr, but what do you mean for “post car”?
thanks
It's just a nick name, or slang term for a sedan body type vs. a hardtop body type. It refers to the B pillar that is between the front door and the rear door. Somebody, somewhere started calling that pillar a post and it stuck. Now people will often refer to a non-hardtop as a "post car".
There are a few in my area, Ohio. One was lost recently in a garage fire, a fully restored car.
HOLY CRAP ON A CRACKER! YOUR CAR HAS AIR-RIDE!. Are the bladders still in place and functioning? Many were converted to spring and shock absorbers later in used-car life. Next time you have it up on the lift perhaps a few pics of the front and rear suspension.
Good luck ~ CW
EDIT: I concur Dynamic 88. The 7 in the VIN indicates this, and with a two-barrel carb it would not be a Super anyway, which would have a 8 in the vin regardless. Probably single exhaust standard equipment factory. I think that is correct.
problem is that in the firewall there are olds holes but no plate. I hope is in the car.
The VIN won't help you much. You'll need expert help here from people that are well versed in the '58. There are companies that make reproduction body tags, but you'll have to tell them what you want and to find out what you want on the tag, you'll need expert help. The paint and interior codes you can figure out by carefully examining the car for examples of original. The series and style number you know by looking at the car. I believe for the '58 Dynamic Fiesta wagon it would be 3693. The Fisher Body plant that made your car should be part of the VIN. Your VIN has "M" in it, so I assume it was built in the Lansing Michigan plant, but the experts would know better. The accessories that might have been listed will be trickier. You'll have to consult with the experts as to what codes might have been there and compare that to what you see on the car. The date of manufacture and the body number you'll just have to make up. That info is lost without the plate.
If you never find the body plate, you usually can find places on the car that will have examples of the original paint still there. Once you find those colors, you can compare it to this chart. These are the factory colors for the 1958 Oldsmobile-
SMS fabrics can supply original cloth and vinyl to re-upholster this car .
If the original upholstery matches what is on this page then the trim number was 367 ; https://smsautofabrics.com/collectio...wagon+trim-367
Have you joined the Oldsmobile Club of America yet? I suspect there might be folks there with a lot of knowledge that don't go on the web much. I'd like to help you, but I'm no '58 expert.
I think your model number would be just 3693 with no "D" suffix. The D is for the Super 88. A long time ago the D stood for Deluxe. Your car is not a Super 88 because it is not a hardtop and the sedan, or "post" version of the wagon was only offered in the Dynamic 88 series. AT least this is what my books tell me.
From you pictures you posted, it looks to me that the body color of your car was originally Desert Glow, or number 65 on the chip chart, based on the inside of the driver's door and the door threshold. It looks like the right passenger door and the tailgate might have been Banff Blue, so they may be replacements from another car. I think the green on your car is not factory.
You'll have to do some automotive archeology on your car and get down under the top paint job to find out the true, original color of your car. Any area that does not bolt on, like the doors, or the hood for example, is a good place to look. So that means the door jams, the roof and the quarter panels are good places to get out your scraper, sandpaper, or a place to remove and look under trim. On a car like this one with so much trim, I bet whoever painted it last time just masked off the trim rather than remove it, so you may see the original paint under there.
The car looks like it could be 30 lower (surf green), but the upper is obviously WHITE. Allegheny Green is a pretty dark green.......not whats on the car.
Mirko,
Here is some information from the Oldsmobile parts book that may help you .
This first page shows the model identification ;
From this information , it can be determined that the correct style number is STYLE 58 3693 .
From the papers you posted the VIN number is 587M21266 . This would mean that this car was assembled at Lansing Michigan , and was the 20,266 th Dynamic 88
assembled there .
Here is more info on the body ;
And finally , here is some information on the interior trim ;
Mirko ,
Here is something else I found out about Oldsmobile station wagons ;
" Ionia supplied Oldsmobile with station wagon bodies beginning in 1957, producing 143,696 station wagon bodies through 1964. "
So your Olds would have an Ionia body , rather than a Fisher body.
Ionia body tags were different than Fisher body tags and may have been mounted in a different location .
The whole article is here ; http://www.coachbuilt.com/bui/i/ionia/ionia.htm
Look through the first few pages of the 1958 Oldsmobile Shop Manual , that you have .
You may find more information there .
Last edited by Charlie Jones; Dec 22, 2019 at 06:48 PM.
Good morning to all, i’m doing italian documents, a question please. Original tyre are 8.50r14, correct? There are modern size that can be instal? Thanks
Looks like P 225/75R14 is probably the best match .
Try Restoration specialties ; https://www.restorationspecialties.com/
They have a PDF catalog that you can download . Their primary business is molding clips , screws , fasteners , etc .
Hello. I used to own this exact car. I am very excited to see it getting the attention it deserved.
I bought the car in ~2001 from Toronto Canada and I imported it to the US. I sold the car ~2010 and it was shipped to Europe.
Also, I don't think that the green is the original color. I think that it was a peach color, like what you see in the door jambs. If I remember right, there is a plate on the firewall with the paint codes.
Last edited by oldsfiesta1958; Jul 9, 2021 at 09:30 AM.
Hello. I used to own this exact car. I am very excited to see it getting the attention it deserved.
I bought the car in ~2001 from Toronto Canada and I imported it to the US. I sold the car ~2010 and it was shipped to Europe.
Also, I don't think that the green is the original color. I think that it was a peach color, like what you see in the door jambs. If I remember right, there is a plate on the firewall with the paint codes.
Hi Mr, thanks for your email,
Yes car is finished, some pics for you
