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Saw that H/O number 19 is for sale anybody know this car ?
Was aware of prior owner in 2006.
Popped up in July 2023 for sale in Manchester, NH
Now for sale in IL as of 03/2026 fpr $112,980.
Seems like a solid car, several items not correct if you are in for originality, which I would think one should be for that price.
Below top odometer in 07/2023, then current odo in lower pic.
Jesus! Point your finger at me one more time Mr. "I actually don't know crap about the junk I sell" Salesman. You just might -*BAM*- pull back a stub.
Anyway, For the money, it's going to sit unless someone stupid comes along and wastes their money on this car. A whole lotta verification needs to happen and a bucketful of aftermarket parts isn't going to save it, IMO. I smell cheap vinyl repro seat covers that don't even fit well with ultra-shallow pleats, and a whole lot of other things that aren't supporting that price point.
Was aware of prior owner in 2006.
Popped up in July 2023 for sale in Manchester, NH
Now for sale in IL as of 03/2026 fpr $112,980.
Seems like a solid car, several items not correct if you are in for originality, which I would think one should be for that price.
Below top odometer in 07/2023, then current odo in lower pic.
That's a nice way of putting the price.
Originally Posted by BangScreech4-4-2
I'm guessing by the way those numbers line up that it's the second trip around for that odo.
I think so.
Originally Posted by 69HO43
Jesus! Point your finger at me one more time Mr. "I actually don't know crap about the junk I sell" Salesman. You just might -*BAM*- pull back a stub.
Anyway, For the money, it's going to sit unless someone stupid comes along and wastes their money on this car. A whole lotta verification needs to happen and a bucketful of aftermarket parts isn't going to save it, IMO. I smell cheap vinyl repro seat covers that don't even fit well with ultra-shallow pleats, and a whole lot of other things that aren't supporting that price point.
But, if it flips your skirt, have at it.
I think it's 35k overpriced. Salesman seems very low-class and rude.
No doubt, but definitely atypical. Have you ever seen one before? I haven't. If I was gonna lay out $112K for that car I'd want some documentation that's how it arrived from the factory.
No doubt, but definitely atypical. Have you ever seen one before? I haven't. If I was gonna lay out $112K for that car I'd want some documentation that's how it arrived from the factory.
EDIT: I would never lay out $112K for that car.
My friend has a 1975 Hurst, 40K miles that is radio delete. Never seenit in a 1969 however.
No doubt, but definitely atypical. Have you ever seen one before? I haven't. If I was gonna lay out $112K for that car I'd want some documentation that's how it arrived from the factory.
No doubt, but definitely atypical. Have you ever seen one before? I haven't. If I was gonna lay out $112K for that car I'd want some documentation that's how it arrived from the factory.
Why would an H/O be radio delete? Weren't they marketed as upscale performance cars with all the bells and whistles?
Originally Posted by Koda
Marketed, yes, but could be ordered however.
Most if not all early H/O's were ordered by the dealer, long before the public knew they were available or shipped. I can't imagine a dealer ordering an H/O without a radio.
Most if not all early H/O's were ordered by the dealer, long before the public knew they were available or shipped. I can't imagine a dealer ordering an H/O without a radio.
Originally Posted by BangScreech4-4-2
Right?
Both of you are correct, this is a good point. I don't know how many H/Os were ordered a la carte.
My 68, interestingly, has an FM single speaker. I have all the resto photos, and I believe it rolled into resto with an AM single speaker. I appreciate the upgrade. I wonder how often FM without biphonic was selected.
Most if not all early H/O's were ordered by the dealer, long before the public knew they were available or shipped. I can't imagine a dealer ordering an H/O without a radio.
Originally Posted by Koda
Both of you are correct, this is a good point. I don't know how many H/Os were ordered a la carte.
My 68, interestingly, has an FM single speaker. I have all the resto photos, and I believe it rolled into resto with an AM single speaker. I appreciate the upgrade. I wonder how often FM without biphonic was selected.
ZERO 1968-69 H/O's were ordered by a customer. The dealer ordered what was commonly ordered on similar cars......A bodies, B bodies, etc. The only major difference was 1968 when the W-45 performance version was different than the W-46 A/C variant. I "think" the 1969's were all A/C, but I don't know that for a fact.
AM was the frequency band until the later 1960's because FM stations were a fledgling number. "Rock and roll" stations were all AM and those were the stations younger people listened to. FM was more likely ordered on 98's and Toronado's because those people ordered more high end options on those. The early FM stations played symphony music and such.
Do some research (Google) the number of FM stations licensed by the FCC and Genre of music each year.
AM was the frequency band until the later 1960's because FM stations were a fledgling number. "Rock and roll" stations were all AM and those were the stations younger people listened to. FM was more likely ordered on 98's and Toronados because those people ordered more high
end options on those. The early
FM stations played symphony music and such.
An FM multiplex adaptor was a factory option beginning in 1965, I believe, and was usually aimed at an older, more affluent buyer. As the H/O was originally conceived as a "banker's hotrod" targeting a mature, well-to-do market, it stands to reason that at least a few of them would have been factory equipped with AM/FM no matter who was doing the ordering.
Could be referring to shipping dates or Vin#
Demmer #19 has a shipping date out from Demmer as 04/09/1969
Demmer # 28 had a shipping date out from Demmer on 04/07/1969
If one owned Demmer # 28 they could say they are "Earlier" than # 19.... completed and shipped 'earlier', but #19 is "Earlier" Demmer # wise than their car.
Demmer #28 has an earlier Vin# as well compared to # 19 so that would work in the same manner.
Cars came in as a 'batch' and were assigned a Demmer # upon arrival but were not converted in that particular order.
For example, on 03/31/1969 I can see the following cars came in that day...
19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33
Shipping dates ranged from 04/07 to 04/09 on those cars with the majority being 04/09.
Per 03/31 arrivals, Demmer# 20 had the earliest Vin#, Demmer # 29 had the latest Vin#.
It was crazy how the cars were randomly drawn from the parking lot pool. For instance my car #16 was converted after #19. Looking at the Demmer list, It’s funny how they kept track of the number of conversions as the cars were being completed.
It was crazy how the cars were randomly drawn from the parking lot pool. For instance my car #16 was converted after #19. Looking at the Demmer list, It’s funny how they kept track of the number of conversions as the cars were being completed.
