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Except that gasman has a 72, so it's actually a Holiday "Sports Coupe"
pogo69 - MOST of the time it refers to a 2 door, But there are 4 door versions of the CS from 1966 to 1972 that are also referred to as Holiday Sedans because they don't have a 'B' pillar to the roof.
The term 'Holiday' also was applied to the Delta 88 for the same reasons.
Last edited by Allan R; March 6th, 2013 at 07:02 PM.
"Holiday" simply meant hardtop, whether two-door or four-door. It applied to all Oldsmobile lines, not just the Cutlasses. It was perfectly possible, for instance, to buy a 1964 Oldsmobile Dynamic 88 Holiday Sedan or a 1967 Delta 88 Holiday Coupe.
If it wasn't a hardtop, other words were used, depending on the series and year. You could have had a "Celebrity" sedan, "Town" Sedan, "Club" coupe, and others.
"Holiday" was Oldsmobile's marketing term for a closed body style with no center post between the side windows. Started in 1949 with the Ninety Eight Holiday Hardtop Coupe, then the 76 and 88 got a Holiday Coupe in 1950. The Holiday Sedan four-door hardtop appeared in 1955. 1976 was the last year for true GM hardtops.
The A-body cars finally got Holiday Sedans in 1966 and the last were 1972.
GM hardtop marketing names:
Olds= Holiday
Pontiac= Catalina 1950-58, then Vista
Buick= Riviera 1949-62 though some 50s Roadmaster post sedans were called Rivieras
Chevrolet= Bel Air 1950-52, then "Sport Coupe" and "Sport Sedan". Olds also used the "Sport Sedan" designation on four-window 1961-62 Ninety Eight four-door hardtops.
Cadillac= Coupe and Sedan deVille
Ford called their hardtops "Victoria" from 1951 on thru the 60s. Tudor were Club Victoria, Fordor were Town Victoria.
Mopars are really confusing since they tended to turn whatever they called the hardtop body style in a given year into a full-fledged series the next year. They called them Newport, St. Regis, Lancer, Belvedere and then by the early 60s just called them hardtops.
My 1963 Holiday Coupe / Dynamic 88. Hope this helps. IMO, the coupes are my favorite. Any coupes. Meaning no solid post between the front and back windows.
Neat touch with that Starfire trim on the tail end. Dresses that Dynamic up nice.
Anybody else notice how gloriously dry and desert fbonnano's area is? Meaning- no rust and gorgeous original chrome!
As far as I know, the car is stock. Not sure what you mean by "Starfire Trim on the tail end". If you mean the tail lights, the Starfire lenses/trim had a round bullet-bezel in the center. I think. Someone correct me, or maybe Rocketraider can clarify what it is that looks Starfire besides the tail lights. Someone did tell me the panel below the trunk lid looked different and thought it may be a super 88. Don't think so though. Most cars from the South West are pretty solid.Thanks for the nice comments.
Wasn't the Vista the flat-top 4-door hardtop from 1959-60 only?
Mopars are really confusing since they tended to turn whatever they called the hardtop body style in a given year into a full-fledged series the next year. They called them Newport, St. Regis, Lancer, Belvedere and then by the early 60s just called them hardtops.
I think Mopar did things like GM - after all, the Bel Air became its own model. So did the Riviera. So did the Catalina. So did the DeVille. :twocents:
The Delta 88 "Holiday" mentioned above is interesting in that there was a small "Holiday 88" tag located on the outside sail panel. That was on my '78 Delta--I'm not sure about '77.
It was also on a few '80 Deltas, even with the body style change... It seems like certain '55s also had the "Holiday" tags--maybe others...
It appears that your car may have S88/SF trim on it? See pics -
Super 88
Dynamic88
Thanks for the Pics. It does look like the blue car. S88. I'll have to look at the cowl tag a little closer and attempt a decode. Everything else about my car indicates it's a holiday Dynamic 88. I'll research my cowl tag tomorrow. I do know its a 4 barrel with J heads # 23 or 24 if I remember right. Which I think makes it the 330 hp engine. Silver valve covers, red block, and angled oil fill tube neck.
Would you know what color the red car is? I'm still undecided on color to paint mine when the time comes. I'm leaning toward Honduras Maroon which looks allot like the one in the pic. Frank.
Diego, Pontiac was calling their full-size hardtops Vista at least as late as 1966, and I think I've seen reference to it in the sales literature up into the early 1970s.
I had a brainfart on that 63 rear grille trim- that is Super 88 trim with the vertical ribs. I figured someone had transplanted the grille and brushed panel onto fbonnano's car since Dynamics didn't have the extra trim, as seen on the red car Dave posted.
Always a possibility after 50 years the car has had a nose job with Dynamic 88 fenders installed to replace the damaged pieces. From the front 63 Dynamic and Super were the same except for the fender scripts and hood windsplit trim.
If the red car pic is metallic it will be Regal Mist code L. I think it's a little darker than the equivalent Chevy Honduras Maroon- which was pretty much the same as Olds Garnet Mist and Pontiac Marimba Red and a very nice color for all early 60s GM cars.
The other 1963 red was a code V Holiday Red which is a solid deep red.
1963 was one of the few years Oldsmobile actually put "Holiday" scripts on their hardtops, up on the sail panel as described. The late-70s Holiday 88 was a buckets/console dressup package for base Delta coupes. Even later they produced Ciera Holiday Coupes, again as a dressup package. So, Olds itself threw us a curve with their later Holidays.
What does the inset above the glove box read: Super 88, Dynamic 88, what? There is such a critter on the 63 isn't there? My '62 has such an insert.
I have no idea what the name of the red color is. It is just some pic I found out there on the www.
This may read Oldsmobile, Super 88, Ninety Eight or Starfire.
It reads Oldsmobile above the glove box. I'll check the rear trim tomorrow, but the last I remember, the studs and nuts that hold the rear trim on had what looked liked undercoating on it. Looks like the nuts were never removed before. I'll check with a good light tomorrow.
I just checked the body tag. 63-3247 it is. Thanks. On another subject, and it should be posted elsewhere I think, maybe under general, but do you know a source for a spacer so as to eliminate the heat riser valve on the exhaust manifold/driver side? I have a single exhaust, and the new crossover pipe I ordered doesn't compensate for the eliminated heat riser valve. I expect it to be a little short.
Can't help on the spacer, sorry. That is a part that may have to be fabricated? I would think a reputable exhaust shop ought to be able to satisfactorily resolve this problem?
Can't help on the spacer, sorry. That is a part that may have to be fabricated? I would think a reputable exhaust shop ought to be able to satisfactorily resolve this problem?
No problem on the spacer. I could fab myself if need be. Without ever looking at the riser valve itself, it was more of a thought than a necessity. The thickness was an important consideration, but I can measure that when I see how short the new cross over pipe is. Thanks for all of your help / input. Much appreciated.
Frank
My 1963 Holiday Coupe / Dynamic 88. Hope this helps. IMO, the coupes are my favorite. Any coupes. Meaning no solid post between the front and back windows.
Nice car! It looks like with a new paint job it will be a SHARP driver!
I've got a 63 Holiday hdtp myself. Here's a link to the restoration thread https://classicoldsmobile.com/forums...storation.html
I love New Mexico cars!
Diego, Pontiac was calling their full-size hardtops Vista at least as late as 1966, and I think I've seen reference to it in the sales literature up into the early 1970s.
"Holiday" simply meant hardtop, whether two-door or four-door. It applied to all Oldsmobile lines, not just the Cutlasses. It was perfectly possible, for instance, to buy a 1964 Oldsmobile Dynamic 88 Holiday Sedan or a 1967 Delta 88 Holiday Coupe.
If it wasn't a hardtop, other words were used, depending on the series and year. You could have had a "Celebrity" sedan, "Town" Sedan, "Club" coupe, and others.
Just to clarify the full name, this is a Delta Custom Holiday Sedan. yes?
The pic of that Delta Custom more-door with its bumper taillights is worth the revival!
And to prolong the life of this thread a little more, I just purchased the 67 D88 Holiday Coupe that was listed in the Cars for Sale section of the site. I drive out to pick it up this weekend. I have not been well-versed on the full size cars from that vintage so I've been doing some research. I was not previously aware of the taillight or grille differences among the Delmont, D88, and D88 Customs in 1967. Interesting that the upper/lower taillight treatment on the 67 D88 Custom mirrors that of the 67 Supreme as compared to lesser Cutlii that year that only got the upper taillights (as was the case with the lesser D88s).
And to prolong the life of this thread a little more, I just purchased the 67 D88 Holiday Coupe that was listed in the Cars for Sale section of the site. I drive out to pick it up this weekend. I have not been well-versed on the full size cars from that vintage so I've been doing some research. I was not previously aware of the taillight or grille differences among the Delmont, D88, and D88 Customs in 1967. Interesting that the upper/lower taillight treatment on the 67 D88 Custom mirrors that of the 67 Supreme as compared to lesser Cutlii that year that only got the upper taillights (as was the case with the lesser D88s).
If I'm not mistaken only the custom model came with the quad tail lights. All others including the Delmont came with dual
And to prolong the life of this thread a little more, I just purchased the 67 D88 Holiday Coupe that was listed in the Cars for Sale section of the site. I drive out to pick it up this weekend. I have not been well-versed on the full size cars from that vintage so I've been doing some research. I was not previously aware of the taillight or grille differences among the Delmont, D88, and D88 Customs in 1967. Interesting that the upper/lower taillight treatment on the 67 D88 Custom mirrors that of the 67 Supreme as compared to lesser Cutlii that year that only got the upper taillights (as was the case with the lesser D88s).
[QUOTE=joe_padavano;947394]I thought that's what I said.
Another interesting tidbit among the 67 Delta family is that the D88 Custom Holiday Coupe was the only Delta available with bucket seats (which were standard equipment) in 1967. This also mirrors the 67 Cutlass line, were Supremes were the only Cutlii models available with buckets (and apparently why all 67 442s were based on the Supreme). D88 Custom Holiday Sedans got the Strato bench seat (optional in the Custom Holiday Coupe). All Delmonts and D88 more-doors got the regular bench only, and the D88 Holiday Coupe got the sport bench (fold down arm rest) as the only seating choice.
January 5th, 2013, 06:52 PM
