Keener

I want to thank TK-65 for posting the detailed 64 442 survey data. Also thanks to Ed Vickers, Bob Hamby, and Denny Urban for there collection and reporting of the data.


The article (see attached) makes note that the 64 442 Lansing base model cars had data plate code 3127 (the v6 sports coupe per the advertising info) but these cars were dressed as the 3227 cutlass sports coupe cars. Lansing did not change the data plate code, while Fremont did change the code on the data plate to read 3227. The authors only have one Fremont built car as a reference in their article. However, years ago I acquired a 64 442 Fremont 3227 (this would be a second car to add to their data) car from the original owners nephew. I've spoken with the original owner on several occasions about this car. What's interesting is that when I disassembled the car, the back side of the door panels had hand written body and trim codes. They were body code 3127 and trim 945. The 3127 puzzled me until I read the article by Vickers and Hamby. See attached photos of my door panels. Also, si it a coincidence that all my panels have a 442 written on them? As stated by the authors of the article and found on my door panels, it's likely that Oldsmobile used the 3127 base model for the majority of the 563 sport coupe 442s in 1964.

oldsmobiledave

Thanks for posting. I was not aware that a single 442 was built at the Oshawa Ontario plant in 1964. I thought that only 1968 and 1969 442s were built in Canada. Note it is known that no 442s were assembled in Canada during the 1965-67 model years as no 400 cid engines were ever sent to the Oshawa plant.


Great information to a share.

Diego

How does this info compare to the green car that dude was claiming?

Keener

Without documentation, there is no real way to verify his claims. The earliest date in the PIM that lists B09 additions is 2/10/64. The emblem placement doesn't appear in the PIM until March 17th of 1964. How would the plants know what template to use to drill holes or that a template even existed? So, I'm not sure how his car was built when the build blue prints for the F85 didn't specify what to do until February of 1964....his car was built in October of 1963. Sure, it could be a pilot car, but that will be nearly impossible to prove and why have emblems on a pilot car?

66-3X2 442

It was built by a no good cloning POS.

Keener

The 64 442 came with 3.36:1 rear axle ratio, while the non-442s with manual transmission were equipped with a 3.08:1 or 3.23:1 per the AMA specifications.

Diego

And that's a later AMA document as well.

Keener

Another means to identify a 64 442 and non-442 is the type of crankshaft bearings installed in the engine. See attached pics from the AMA spec sheets. The 64 442 had Moraine M-400 steel back aluminum bearings (these were also found in the 62-63 turbo-rocket engines); whereas, non-442 F85 cars with a V8 had steel backed Moraine 100 with Babbitt overlay. The back of the bearing is stamped with M-400 for the 442 cars and the non-442s have a GMMA stamp. So, if you are lucky enough to have an original engine, this could help prove it's a 442 or not.