Wondering why my 66 442's title says f-85cp

 

Because it's an F85 by the VIN. The 442 was an option package.

 

At the time, the 442 was an option package, not a model.
Hence F-85 cp is a Olds F-85 2-dr coupe - a 4-dr. would be a sedan - F-85 sdn.

 

Were all 66 442's labled this way?

 

All '66 442s and Cutlasses were F-85s.

How they were labeled depends on your own locality's habits and procedures and the vicissitudes of time.

- Eric

 

No

No

No

No

Yes.

The part of the title referred to here is where "model" is listed. In 1966, the 422 was an option on 5 different *models*:
F-85 V8 Club Coupe
F-85 Deluxe
Cutlass Sports Coupe
Cutlass Holiday Coupe
Cutlass Convertible
By model, the Cutlass models are *not* F85s. There were the F85 *series* and the Cutlass *series*. The A-body platform was also known as the F85 platform.
Bear in mind this lineup varied from year to year, so we're just talking '66 here.


So technically, the title should have one of the above 5. But it hardly ever works out that way. What is listed on a title for the model can be all over the place, and even entirely inaccurate. It in no way, shape, or form is any documentation what the car is. What is listed as the model has virtually no legal implications anyway, as the VIN is the legally controlling part of the title. If everything else on the title is correct, it is a still legal title. In actuality, even the year can be wrong on the title. Sometimes correcting the model takes an act of God, and I know of cases where a clerk has simply changed it "on request", but I'm sure in the latter case, that was not legal procedure.
Bottom line is that it doesn't really matter what it says the model is on the title, and it may be incorrect.

 

Kurt,

So you're saying that the models weren't

"Standard F-85"
"Deluxe F-85"
"Cutlass F-85"

but rather

"Standard"
"Deluxe" and
"Cutlass"

models on the F-85 platform?

I believe you if you say so, but it sure looks more like the former than the latter in the 1966 CSM, and as far as I know, all of the cars themselves said either "F-85" or "Cutlass" on them, and not "Standard" or "Deluxe" (like the old Fords did), so I always thought it was either "F-85" or "F-85 Cutlass".

I am happy to be contradicted if I'm really wrong, though .



- Eric

 

Yep - it is what they decide, depending on what is available in the system.
Lady's SC title was listed as 442. When I did the transfer to TX, I told them it was a Cutlass Supreme and the 442 was and option in 72 and was added on later (not factory). She got confused and just asked "Is the name 442 on the car?" I said yes. She decided that it was best to leave it as 442 and that was a choice in the system. Okay, they are the deciding ones!

BTW, she was the nicest lady - esp as a govt worker! Her dad used to work on the Olds assy line in the 60s in lansing and she sent me some photos. We still stay in touch time to time.

 

Eric, I know it is a fine line difference here, but note what you are describing is under "series". The description in the center says "Body description or name". which is obviously more detailed the more specific the model. If you check the SPECS booklet, you'll see the "model name" as I have them above.
So as it is, they chose to give slightly different names to "body description or name" and "model name". So yes, it does get confusing. Why? They just weren't that concerned about what you call it because it was really identified by the number. The descriptions and terms swirl around especially over the years, but identification is strictly by number.

In '66, Olds was continuing to make a statement differentiating a Cutlass from an F85. There are no F85 emblems on a Cutlass model, and no Cutlass emblems on an F85 model.

 

Thanks, Kurt.

Got it.



- Eric.

 

My favorite part of this entire thread.