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Old Jul 30, 2025 | 09:35 AM
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Hey guys, I posted my car up for sale for $49,500 honestly I paid $51,000 with shipping.
I spent a couple thousand on fixing it up brakes, decals emblems chrome,calipers, brake hoses etc. I’m into the car for about 53K.
when I put it up for $49,500 firm I thought I would at least get a couple of bites. What am I missing here? Is it because my car is a column shift?
I don’t mind it of course I’d like to have a floor shifter, and I was thinking about doing it.
Do you guys think I should buy a shifter and console for the $1600 install it because I already have the buckets or is it something else?
I thought the color combo was fantastic and rare. I guess I’m used to selling stuff right away when I wanna buy something. I just wanna let something go quick.
that being said, I don’t wanna lose a ton of money and sell it for 40-45k just yet.
”not happening”. I will just sit on it till I get the most I can. I thought I paid a reasonable amount amount for a #’s matching 1970.
in all honesty when he told me how much he wanted for this car “50 K “firm I was like sure that I can get him down a little bit and I only got him down to $49,000.
i’m sure I’ll get the usual response. Nobody has money. The economy sucks blah blah blah, which is true to a point guys are always changing cars. The hobby is big. I don’t think it has an effect on what people say maybe the value is a little bit on some of the specific cars, but in general if you have a car that’s not overpriced it should sell fairly quickly am I overpriced by 10,000?
I mean, if I was in desperate mode, I would not take less than 40K for this car.
It’s basically a survivor with a repaint and a rebuilt engine, which is in my opinion the best way to find them. Most of the restored cars are horribly wrong. There are a select few that do the right thing to reproduce these cars as they were in 1970 like Thornton.
oh, and there’s always that saying “you never get what you put into them”.
hog wash I’ve had classic cars for 40 years. I know what I’m looking at for the most part.
I can be off few dollars because it’s more of a want or gotta have purchase.
what do you guys think is stopping from someone contacting me and wanting my car and I could take criticism just not stupid criticism.
I’ll just delete the post and forget about my questions
That being said I find that this is the most honest forum I’ve ever been in some of the Mopar forums i have been i have had a lot of problems with guys just being jerks for no reason.

Kinda like going on Facebook these days and giving your political opinion you get hammered.

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Old Jul 30, 2025 | 10:00 AM
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No fiberglass hood! I'm joking - well, only half joking. $50k is a lot of money (I'm not suggesting you're too high) and this car is a bit unique. The purists among us like the original steel hood and lack of wing but I suspect most of the general (non-Oldsmobile) crowd have grown to expect that these cars are supposed to have that hood and the wing. They see it on almost every picture on the internet. Maybe there are assumptions this is some kind of stripped down model? And I'm sure the column shift isn't helping. This is just my opinion, but any musclecar has to really be 'off the spectrum' unique to overcome that perceived stigma.
I could be way off base. It's a great looking car and I was surprised to see you turning around and selling it so quickly. Good luck.
Old Jul 30, 2025 | 11:09 AM
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[QUOTE=acavagnaro;1642301]No fiberglass hood! I'm joking - well, only half joking. $50k is a lot of money (I'm not suggesting you're too high) and this car is a bit unique. The purists among us like the original steel hood and lack of wing but I suspect most of the general (non-Oldsmobile) crowd have grown to expect that these cars are supposed to have that hood and the wing. They see it on almost every picture on the internet. Maybe there are assumptions this is some kind of stripped down model? And I'm sure the column shift isn't helping. This is just my opinion, but any musclecar has to really be 'off the spectrum' unique to overcome that perceived stigma.
I could be way off base. It's a great looking car and I was surprised to see you turning around and selling it so quickly. Good luck.[/QUOTE
well, like I said in the ad, I thought I would be able to sell my Hellcat easy enough but prices have come down to 30 less grand that I paid and I don’t wanna take a 30 grand hit just yet because I wanted to get down to one car or just try something different with the Hellcat I might trade the hellcat in for a Corvette C8. I’m looking at a couple right now and then I’ll keep the olds because I really like it anyway eventually, I might put the center console in his and hers shifter and possibly a hood just because I like them no worries. I just thought it was a good car if I was looking for one I would be interested in it. You can always do the stuff you like everything‘s available wing/hood/console and it’s pretty much easy stuff
cheers thanks for not slamming me. I know right I figured I would put no spoiler or hood because it’s kind of cool the way it is honestly it’s a really original car nice original interior except for the front seats were redone. This is the way to find them original. It’s a good car.
I don’t mind keeping it but yeah I changed Cars like I change my socks something about the excitement of getting a new car. Some people call me a flipper, but I take big losses sometimes I’m just an enthusiast!
I don’t know what I want from day to day.
I changed my mind like the wind blows lol.
Old Jul 30, 2025 | 11:56 AM
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If it is that good of a car, and it appears to be, the market (although fickle) will usually dictate. Once you get above 30 grand and and are not Hurst, W, 4 speed, etc (IMHO) and you are looking for serious buyers, the place is BAT. Run an auction there with all the details and pics and see what the market says.
Old Jul 30, 2025 | 12:26 PM
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Yah, I agree with Gman, list the car on BAT, best way to find out what’s it worth. Very nice 442 btw.
Old Jul 30, 2025 | 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by JOHNNYOLDS442
Hey guys, I posted my car up for sale for $49,500 honestly I paid $51,000 with shipping.
You say you posted it for sale. The question is WHERE?

Originally Posted by Giftman23
you are looking for serious buyers, the place is BAT. Run an auction there with all the details and pics and see what the market says.
This is correct. You need to expose your car EVERYWHERE when trying to sell it, especially if you want this much money.

I know it gets poo-pooed all the time, but the Old Cars Price Guide lists the value of a 1970 442 2-door hardtop in showroom condition in the low 40s. So you're about ten grand above the going rate with your asking price. Not saying that your car is not worth it, just pointing out this one source.

How much money you have into the car is totally irrelevant. You could have $1 million in it and it's still worth $45k. The market determines the value, not the wishes of the seller.

If you advertise the car widely and are not getting any bites, you have two options. Sit tight and hope someone comes along, falls in love with it, and has to have it, or start lowering the price in small increments until you do get some interest.

Your car is nice enough and valuable enough that it might be worth seeing what you can get at a Mecum auction or something similar. Yes, you have to get the car to the site, and yes you'll be paying a fee, and yes it might not sell for what you want, but that's the nature of the beast. Selling a car is work.

Old Jul 30, 2025 | 12:40 PM
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Love it, can't afford it. Even though most people want a floor shift, I like the uniqueness of it, especially with the two tone paint.
Old Jul 30, 2025 | 01:26 PM
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You've got a beautiful car there, that I don't believe is overpriced in today's market, and you do need some wiggle room (4 or $5K) for negotiation. With that said, I think the biggest factor causing a lack of interest for what you're asking for it, is the lack of an OAI hood which most folks associate with the '70 4-4-2. Sure, most people would prefer a console automatic, but I don't think that's a deal breaker. As for the lack of the Wing, I think most can take or leave them. Personally I think they destroy the beautiful lines of the car. Can you please provide a link to the site where the car is being advertised?
Old Jul 30, 2025 | 02:03 PM
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If the car is generally a 'pedigreed' column-shift car, spending the time and $$$ to make it a console car won't likely net you a profitable return on investment.

My CS ragtop was a column shift car that I ultimately converted to a factory floor shift setup without regard to whether it would increase the car's value by my financial investment and I went into the project doubting it would, but that's what I ultimately wanted - maybe I was crazy for doing it but I spent more way than $1600 for all the required parts by the time I was all in. That included restored bucket seats, new or restored console parts, restored shifter mechanism, NOS cable, rebuilt floor shift steering column, restored correct floor-shift speedometer and the assorted links/brackets and harness extensions.

I also earlier on swapped my original flat hood for a louvered "S" version, which was another $1k investment by the time I factored the purchase price + the shop costs to restore it in match to the rest of my car. Again, unlikely to add any significant value to the car but I wanted it.

Point to these ramblings is on your car, I probably wouldn't invest heavy sums on the belief the changes will exponentially increase your car's value - in your case you'd be changing an otherwise #s matching car so especially in the case of a floor shift conversion, you're cutting into the car (not irrevocably, but still putting holes where the factory didn't).

If the old car market is still thriving and mid 5-figure sums are routinely changing hands for the better ones, patience and broad advertising may be your only options.

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Old Jul 30, 2025 | 03:00 PM
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If I get my 1940 Ford Tudor Deluxe Street Rod sold. I would be after purchasing this car. I would of course want to negotiate on the price from 49,500.00. But not beat you up.
Old Jul 30, 2025 | 05:58 PM
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Very nice ride. Black n white is sharp. I think thats a fair price if its as clean in the seams and undercarriage,
Old Aug 31, 2025 | 06:09 AM
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Originally Posted by 70sgeek
if the car is generally a 'pedigreed' column-shift car, spending the time and $$$ to make it a console car won't likely net you a profitable return on investment.

My cs ragtop was a column shift car that i ultimately converted to a factory floor shift setup without regard to whether it would increase the car's value by my financial investment and i went into the project doubting it would, but that's what i ultimately wanted - maybe i was crazy for doing it but i spent more way than $1600 for all the required parts by the time i was all in. That included restored bucket seats, new or restored console parts, restored shifter mechanism, nos cable, rebuilt floor shift steering column, restored correct floor-shift speedometer and the assorted links/brackets and harness extensions.

I also earlier on swapped my original flat hood for a louvered "s" version, which was another $1k investment by the time i factored the purchase price + the shop costs to restore it in match to the rest of my car. Again, unlikely to add any significant value to the car but i wanted it.

Point to these ramblings is on your car, i probably wouldn't invest heavy sums on the belief the changes will exponentially increase your car's value - in your case you'd be changing an otherwise #s matching car so especially in the case of a floor shift conversion, you're cutting into the car (not irrevocably, but still putting holes where the factory didn't).

If the old car market is still thriving and mid 5-figure sums are routinely changing hands for the better ones, patience and broad advertising may be your only options.
thx
Old Aug 31, 2025 | 06:13 AM
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Originally Posted by jaunty75
You say you posted it for sale. The question is WHERE?

This is correct. You need to expose your car EVERYWHERE when trying to sell it, especially if you want this much money.

I know it gets poo-pooed all the time, but the Old Cars Price Guide lists the value of a 1970 442 2-door hardtop in showroom condition in the low 40s. So you're about ten grand above the going rate with your asking price. Not saying that your car is not worth it, just pointing out this one source.

How much money you have into the car is totally irrelevant. You could have $1 million in it and it's still worth $45k. The market determines the value, not the wishes of the seller.

If you advertise the car widely and are not getting any bites, you have two options. Sit tight and hope someone comes along, falls in love with it, and has to have it, or start lowering the price in small increments until you do get some interest.

Your car is nice enough and valuable enough that it might be worth seeing what you can get at a Mecum auction or something similar. Yes, you have to get the car to the site, and yes you'll be paying a fee, and yes it might not sell for what you want, but that's the nature of the beast. Selling a car is work.
THX Just saw this
Old Aug 31, 2025 | 06:13 AM
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Originally Posted by dc2x4drvr
Yah, I agree with Gman, list the car on BAT, best way to find out what’s it worth. Very nice 442 btw.
thx bat told me 42k reserve
Old Aug 31, 2025 | 06:15 AM
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Originally Posted by acavagnaro
No fiberglass hood! I'm joking - well, only half joking. $50k is a lot of money (I'm not suggesting you're too high) and this car is a bit unique. The purists among us like the original steel hood and lack of wing but I suspect most of the general (non-Oldsmobile) crowd have grown to expect that these cars are supposed to have that hood and the wing. They see it on almost every picture on the internet. Maybe there are assumptions this is some kind of stripped down model? And I'm sure the column shift isn't helping. This is just my opinion, but any muscle car has to really be 'off the spectrum' unique to overcome that perceived stigma.
I could be way off base. It's a great looking car and I was surprised to see you turning around and selling it so quickly. Good luck.
this car came from Wilson N. Carolina have you ever heard about it? thx for the comments

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