442.com?
May 11th, 2018, 07:55 AM
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Not sure, but somebody (private) has paid for the domain up through 2022.
https://whois.icann.org/en/lookup?name=442.com
https://whois.icann.org/en/lookup?name=442.com
May 11th, 2018, 08:25 AM
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The site has been owned by Brothers Automotive for a number of years. The site was apparently re-hosted on GoDaddy last month. Don't know why it's still off-line, but frankly the 1990s-vintage forum software made it relatively worthless. Hopefully they are bringing the site screaming and kicking into the 21st century. In the meantime, the admittedly flawed Olds FAQ is still available at this mirror site.
June 15th, 2018, 05:35 AM
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June 15th, 2018, 12:48 PM
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June 15th, 2018, 12:57 PM
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June 15th, 2018, 01:23 PM
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If the URL is any indication, this mirror version resides here on classicoldsmobile.com. If so, then perhaps our admins might be able to provide the opportunity to correct some of the misinformation I see commented on once in a while?
June 18th, 2018, 09:46 AM
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We did that here about five years ago or so. A number of people put effort into fixing the FAQ errors. Then the revised FAQ and all that work mysteriously disappeared.
June 18th, 2018, 09:55 AM
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I can give my guarantee that as long as my web host keeps the servers going, my site will stay up. Wouldn't be too difficult for me to add a "documentation" link to my menu and a page where a few mods can go in and edit.
December 22nd, 2019, 08:51 AM
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So as per Steve Kenny Brothers doesn't own the site. He still has all the content but doesn't have the URL.
He said "The newly revised and largely corrected Olds FAQ is available at Oldsfaq.com"
He said "The newly revised and largely corrected Olds FAQ is available at Oldsfaq.com"
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February 23rd, 2020, 07:14 PM
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August 13th, 2020, 07:10 AM
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It is sad, but can you really blame the owner? For a 3 digit domain name, he was probably offered 6 (maybe 7) figures for the domain because of there incredible demand for these in Asian countries. It looks like a lot of content was transferred to Oldsfaq.com. I wish there was a little more communication but it is what it is. One could have easily bought something like 442faq.com for ~$8, transfer all the content, sell 442.com, buy any dream Oldsmobile and a garage to put it in and enjoy.
August 13th, 2020, 07:36 AM
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It is sad, but can you really blame the owner? For a 3 digit domain name, he was probably offered 6 (maybe 7) figures for the domain because of there incredible demand for these in Asian countries. It looks like a lot of content was transferred to Oldsfaq.com. I wish there was a little more communication but it is what it is. One could have easily bought something like 442faq.com for ~$8, transfer all the content, sell 442.com, buy any dream Oldsmobile and a garage to put it in and enjoy.
some are saying there were false facts?
August 13th, 2020, 11:54 PM
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It can be helpful but it can also be misleading. Its not the be all and end all of Oldsmobile facts. You must verify whatever you are relying on and or quoting from their pages. Joe P explained it to me recently. Someone lifted all that information from a site that was similar to this one or the like, organized it and presented it as facts.... As you know when somebody asks a question there can be multiple answers and everyone is not necessarily correct.... Apparently there was no deep proof checking, nonetheless whoever put those pages together did a helluva job IMHO....
They also tried to give credit to every contributor to the information provided which is why you will see Joe Padavano's name all over the place, among others. Problem is even when you see Joe Ps name you cant be sure he is sole contributor to that information. Or that he is tied to precisely the part you are interested in. In the end you must take it with a grain of salt.... Too bad because the layout is fantastic, navigating is easy, and its a fun browse.
August 14th, 2020, 06:03 AM
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August 14th, 2020, 06:13 AM
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Whether it is a mirror or not, I cannot say. The content of oldsjunction.classicoldsmobile.com is owned by LLC dba Internet Brands. Any content displayed on oldsjunction.classicoldsmobile.com is subject to all and any litigation arriving from information posted on oldsjunction.classicoldsmobile.com.
August 14th, 2020, 06:25 AM
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Oldsfaq.com (on the other hand) is an officially registered domain name with no ICANN DNS server namespace affiliated registration to classicoldsmobile.com. Oldsfaq.com is registered to "Steve".
August 14th, 2020, 06:35 AM
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... Olds FAQ was extracted from posts made on the ancient Chubecto Oldsmobile listserver in the 1980s and early 90s. A member named David Brown took it upon himself to extract information from posts and compile it into the FAQ. There was no formal fact checking, which is why that FAQ is only slightly more accurate than the crap you read on Facebook today. Take it with a grain of salt, it is not an "official" document. The 442.com website changed hands some years ago, and the whole "copyright" thing is questionable given the origins of that information (and if someone thinks they own it, I'd like a check for all the parts of it that came from posts I wrote). There was an attempt here to create an Oldsmobile Wiki that corrected that info and allowed for Wikipedia-style fact checking and editing. Several of us put substantial time into creating it. It mysteriously disappeared at one point with no backups and was never restored. That puts a damper on one's interest in doing it again...
August 14th, 2020, 06:41 AM
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I read through the history of the ancient Chubecto Oldsmobile listserver after I first joined CO and the historical posts you made regarding the listserver content. Oh my, the days of listservers - cumbersome, awkward, and very, very time-consuming - but it was about the only thing which worked at the time. It's a shame data was lost in attempts to migrate (accurate) data. Regarding ownership of data posted to any public forum, while there certainly exist several caveats, in general a user (generally) retains copyright to their original contributions.
Many websites also contain third-party content. This type of content typically belongs to the author of the content unless there is a valid written and signed transfer of ownership of all rights. One type of third-party content common to websites is user-generated content, the ownership of which may be transferred through terms of service. The Copyright Office will accept an application that asserts a claim in user-generated content as long as you identify the authors of that content and confirm that the copyright in that content has been transferred to the claimant named in the application. If the content was created by a large number of authors, the Office will accept an application that provides a representative number of author names and the number of additional authors who contributed to the content.
note: You must exclude any authorship that is not fully owned by you from your application. In particular, a claim in an entire website does not extend to externally linked content.
note: You must exclude any authorship that is not fully owned by you from your application. In particular, a claim in an entire website does not extend to externally linked content.
August 14th, 2020, 07:24 AM
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Have fun in the time machine here. I've searched older ads and other content from the site over the past couple years for the SX, V Code, U Code and other registries.
https://web.archive.org/web/20150207...ttp://442.com/
Terry
https://web.archive.org/web/20150207...ttp://442.com/
Terry
August 14th, 2020, 07:35 AM
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Have fun in the time machine here. I've searched older ads and other content from the site over the past couple years for the SX, V Code, U Code and other registries.
https://web.archive.org/web/20150207...ttp://442.com/
Terry
https://web.archive.org/web/20150207...ttp://442.com/
Terry
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