According to the judges meeting we are moving into the 21st century. And will be implementing tablets for speeding up things with tabulation.

This year the lead judges for each group (master or senior) had to help with data entry.

So in the future please thank your judges for volunteering their time which starts @ 7:00 AM to early to mid afternoon.

Pat

 

Thanks Pat and thanks to Chris as well. A promising young man to be sure


Brett

 

Kudos to all that judged. I am sure that was a hot job Friday.

Don W

 

were you there
Don?

 

I was there Wed thru Sat.

Don W

 

Good to see you again.

 

Thanks Brett, as always good to see you as well. It was great breaking bread with you twice. p.s. don't forget about my passenger side hockey stick molding!

Pat

 

Now if we can just get some serious car or model year specific training in place, OCA judging will rise way above the joke it's been in the past.

I can vouch for how hot it was on showfield. I was judging 8A and by 10:30 I was soaked to my drawers. Somehow I request to judge 8C Starfires every year and never get it...

8A is no problem to judge but Starfires are what I know best... Maybe because I kept dinging 64 guys on chambered pipes- you CAN get the chambered sections now.

 

i know the 12C judging was very knowledgeable this year as opposed to the last time i was judged in 09. I think it benifited the hurst classes having the H/OCA nationals the same time.

 

I know a lot about '70-72 but I asked to judge the 90's and later class and got he Aurora class. I spoke with Jerry Wilson about judge training a couple of years ago after they told me I had non factory exhaust tips and rust on the gas tank of my final 500. I informed him that they were stock and that the gas tank was plastic so they assumed the muffler was the gas tank (Ughhh) My crew was awesome but did not have the total knowledge of the 1st and 2nd Gen Rora's that I do as I have owned 3. Class 14D and 14DS was ***** on accurate this year.

I can't wait for all judges to get some kind of formal training across the board.

Thanks to all that entered their cars at Nationals, it makes for the ultimate yearly vacation and Olds fix for this junkie.

 

The problem is that, not only do judges need training, the OCA also needs to start valuing originality as much as (or more than) cleanliness. Judging should be more like in NCRS.

For example, in my opinion an original gas tank with a little bit of surface rust should be worth the same or more points than a brand new reproduction, no matter now perfect that reproduction might be.

 

I cannot disagree with this if the car is all original. Cars were meant to be driven and rust happens if the car is driven frequently.

Cleanliness/Detailing should still be a factor in judging though. You ask to have your car judged but put no effort into detailing it screams laziness to me. I put forth my effort to judge that class, and car owner should put in an equal effort. There were a couple of cars that made the outside of their vehicle great but when it came to the trunk and engine bay they had nothing. At minimum a clean engine bay runs cooler and makes it easier to spot leaks. That is just my 2 cents worth.

 

Cleaniliness should be a factor for trailer queens. Many of us drive our cars, sometimes through rain , to get there. I practically had a stroke in the sun trying to wash her on thursday when i arrived. I completely agree on originality. If you have two 83 hursts for example and one is on bfgs and the other on eagle gts...dont deduct for the bfgs since its a safety thing but give bonus for factory spec tires. My local chapter show is a kinda of a joke compared to nationals thou, the same 10k 85 supreme wins the class everytime because it never moves on to a senior or anything. At least at nationals you can be with cars of your caliber. I lucked out this year.

I was kinda sad to see the lack of turn out at drag racing. I drove my car 400 miles. Showed it, raced it, wasted two big blocks with my dog 307, won BOC saturday and drove it home with bags full of Bojangles. Lol

 

I usually have had owners or previous owners of the class I have judged in my judging group and we try to ask questions when not sure! I have the Toronados for years now. I know that 75% judges are out their comfort zone.

Heck I had to remove myself from the later years due to my car being judged. I have reached the senior preservation class. I am still not allowed to judge by OCA rules in that class.

I could do the 70-72 A bodies, but so many already want that class.

As far originality we try to deduct but not to get too wrapped up in huge deductions unless the wrong engine.

I agree on being clean! dirt resting in the crevices behind can easily be flushed out by a hose at the hotel! And a couple times on the Toros we have seen oil bottles being held in the front right hand corner of the engine bay!

I drive my car several hundred miles and spend 6 man hours, washing cleaning and detailing before judging and still drive it in the morning of from another hotel. My wheel wells shine!

I have volunteered my time and phone numbers with members to help them what to look for themselves to move up in scoring.

Pat

 

Jerry Wilson is on board for specialized judging training, and there's enough knowledge and reference material from people on here to do car-specific training seminars at National Meets.

Maybe by 2018 in Gettysburg we can get this program up and running. Me, I know 60s and 70s fullsize and 1st gen Toronados, but I wouldn't feel at all comfortable judging 50s or prewar classes because I simply don't know enough about them- and that is not fair to either the car or owner.

But we also have to realize we can't do it alone. Wilson and Mike P would work with us, but it'll take some time and effort.

I don't think we should do ALL judging the NCRS way because there are people who don't want that type of restoration. We'll still have to accommodate folks who are satisfied with a nice driver or who are upgrading the car as they go based on the scoresheets.

But for those who want their cars scored against the factory/showroom standard including all TIL and Service Guild upgrades and factory fixes, I'm all for giving them that option. And we can only do that with car-specific judges' training.